Wake up! Your career is dying!

[Splinter]

Ahh, another quote from Jack Handy (General Lee):
"As far as other aviation positions available, most of us could get jobs either overseas (I have a buddy in Taipei who flies Eva MD11s for the Cargo side), or they will just do something else. This was a career, and it is turning into a bad job. Also, other airlines will grow as a result of a liquidation, and I am sure they would take some or most of our guys."

Dude, what color is the sky in your world? And speaking of...

When will you Delta guys WAKE UP??? "Come back to a little planet I like to call 'the real world'" Management has you by the bal$$, so BOHIC. Despite all of management's despicable actions, you must remember...YOU ARE BANKRUPT! You have no options. Get on board, grab a pail, and start bailing water. Else, walk the plank and drown yourself.

NEWSFLASH! $100,000 jobs represent less than 0.5% of all jobs in America!

Unless you can pitch for the Braves, you Atlanta folks will not find a better paying job than Delta AFTER you get hosed by the Arbitration Panel.

Without an airline, 99.99% of us are too undereducated to qualify for $100,000 jobs. You WILL NOT find a job that pays that well anytime soon. Your best hope is to hook on with another carrier and take a BIGGER PAYCUT to be on probation. The industry has learned from Eastern and no one will trip over themselves to hire ex-Delta pilots who will only pollute their culture and poison the attitude of the pilot group. Air Tran anyone?

G.Lee, if Delta goes down, you will NEVER earn more than you make now. Some interviewer will see through all of your elegance, suave, and sophistication.

Take the blue pill, Neo.

 

[AA717driver]

Splinter--WHY DON'T YOU JUST STFU!!!!




Let 'em find out the hard way like the rest of us did... TC

 

[Splinter]

Splinter--WHY DON'T YOU JUST STFU!!!!
Let 'em find out the hard way like the rest of us did... TC

Just trying to help out my godkids...Buffy and Thurston are not cut out for public school. And since most Delta pilots are on their 3rd wife who quit working the day they got married, there is no way they are going back to work to pay for spa treatments...most of them swore to never do another table dance again.

 

[formerdal]

Unf$%^%ing Believable

Dude, what color is the sky in your world? And speaking of...

When will you Delta guys WAKE UP??? "Come back to a little planet I like to call 'the real world'" Management has you by the bal$$, so BOHIC. Despite all of management's despicable actions, you must remember...YOU ARE BANKRUPT! You have no options. Get on board, grab a pail, and start bailing water. Else, walk the plank and drown yourself.

Yes, we are Bankrupt....as far as not having any options, I'm not quite sure about that one. I am sure about one thing, its jerks like you that aren't willing to stand up for what you're worth and would rather accept what management is willing to give you that has made this profession a job!


NEWSFLASH! $100,000 jobs represent less than 0.5% of all jobs in America!

Unless you can pitch for the Braves, you Atlanta folks will not find a better paying job than Delta AFTER you get hosed by the Arbitration Panel.

This is a bunch of CRAP!! there are jobs out there, do they require some reeducation and persistence??YES. For you to make this ridiculous statement only shows that YOU are in the uneducated percentage and likely could not find anything to replace the flying....hope your company is successful indefinately.

Without an airline, 99.99% of us are too undereducated to qualify for $100,000 jobs. You WILL NOT find a job that pays that well anytime soon. Your best hope is to hook on with another carrier and take a BIGGER PAYCUT to be on probation. The industry has learned from Eastern and no one will trip over themselves to hire ex-Delta pilots who will only pollute their culture and poison the attitude of the pilot group. Air Tran anyone?

Unbelievable....Glad you think so highly of yourself!! Oh, and by the way I'm a civilian guy too.

G.Lee, if Delta goes down, you will NEVER earn more than you make now. Some interviewer will see through all of your elegance, suave, and sophistication.

Only one thing comes to mind....IDIOT!!!!

Take the blue pill, Neo.

 

[blzr]

Splint..... What is your background? you can't possably be a pilot.

Splint, your Doctor just called. Your IQ test came back negative.

 

[General Lee]

Ahh, another quote from Jack Handy (General Lee):
"As far as other aviation positions available, most of us could get jobs either overseas (I have a buddy in Taipei who flies Eva MD11s for the Cargo side), or they will just do something else. This was a career, and it is turning into a bad job. Also, other airlines will grow as a result of a liquidation, and I am sure they would take some or most of our guys."

Dude, what color is the sky in your world? And speaking of...

When will you Delta guys WAKE UP??? "Come back to a little planet I like to call 'the real world'" Management has you by the bal$$, so BOHIC. Despite all of management's despicable actions, you must remember...YOU ARE BANKRUPT! You have no options. Get on board, grab a pail, and start bailing water. Else, walk the plank and drown yourself.

NEWSFLASH! $100,000 jobs represent less than 0.5% of all jobs in America!

Unless you can pitch for the Braves, you Atlanta folks will not find a better paying job than Delta AFTER you get hosed by the Arbitration Panel.

Without an airline, 99.99% of us are too undereducated to qualify for $100,000 jobs. You WILL NOT find a job that pays that well anytime soon. Your best hope is to hook on with another carrier and take a BIGGER PAYCUT to be on probation. The industry has learned from Eastern and no one will trip over themselves to hire ex-Delta pilots who will only pollute their culture and poison the attitude of the pilot group. Air Tran anyone?

G.Lee, if Delta goes down, you will NEVER earn more than you make now. Some interviewer will see through all of your elegance, suave, and sophistication.

Take the blue pill, Neo.

Is this supposed to be funny? It really isn't. How do you know I won't make as much as I do now? I am still an FO (a senior one, though) and I am almost 41 years old, with more years to go. I can try that Eva job my buddy is pushing, or I can try other things. Management does NOT have us by the ballz, since we are a different group with different needs. You are the one with penus envy----do you feel small next to our planes? I think so. Get turned down? Yeah. Wow, if I go to another carrier I will have to start over. Wow, that is news to me! (Tell that to the RJDC memebers, no wonder they want large airplanes without having to START over. Now I can see why!!!) I may have to start over, but my wife won't have to, and she has a great job. We could survive well without my job. But, you knew that.

You really sound like an idiot, and you trying to push my buttons will not persuade me from NOT striking if this thing doesn't turn around. I will do just fine.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Ty Webb]

Aaargghhh!!! I see plagues, boils, locusts and hailstones!!!! If you strike, you will become impotent, and all of your sons will turn queerer than "Uppercrust", your daughters dumber than "Einstein"!

$100K jobs not available? Maybe not for a moron like you. I'll bet you most of the folks at Delta have already come up with a "Plan B", or will soon. I give them a hell of a lot more credit than I give your shrill, cowardly @ss, Splinter.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

G.Lee, if Delta goes down, you will NEVER earn more than you make now. Some interviewer will see through all of your elegance, suave, and sophistication.

G. Lee.....if Delta goes down (greater than 50% chance), then you'll have even more time to post here at Flightinfo!!

 

[Jetjockey]

There are plenty of jobs that make over $100k. First off, $100k isn't all that much anymore. I know plenty of people who top that, and aren't rich by any means. I also know a guy who makes over $100 K selling cars. I have a friend who started a consulting business, and is clearing more than $200k. A flying aquaintance who sells real estate on the side just made over $100 k, selling real estate on her days off. I have done part-time work and added $40-50 added income. Sorry, I just don't buy into the theory that we are just dumb pilots, and can't do anything else. Most limitations in life are self-induced.

 

[AA717driver]

Well, in defense of Splinter, here goes:

Having lost my $160k/year job I can tell you that there are few $100k jobs out there. Yeah, I looked at Emirates, WASINC (good gig but didnt' want to move to HNL AND I can't pass the astronaut physical like my friend Helmsman) and didn't even consider EVA because they require a Taipei base which sucks. Emirates treats you like a commodity (PM Typhoonpilot for input) and starts at around $80k with slow upgrade. Dubai should be lovely this time of year... Shenzhen and China Eastern are hiring. Shenzhen is a great town--if you liked Bladerunner.

Some of my friends are doing contruction ($50k/year off the books) and own Jiffy Lubes or DQ's. That's an 80 hour a WEEK job, not 80 hours a month. Big difference. Oh, yeah, to clear $100k you need at least three stores. Franchise fees are paid upfront, too and generally run from the low six-figures to $1M.

Some are at NetJets (NJA, not NJI--just try to get an interview there) or CS or other fracs. Not gonna break $100k for quite a while. Some went to JB (that two year upgrade is slipping to three or more...) or AirTran (still cookin' along but you never know--plus you start at $40k and won't see six figures for several years). Frontier is a really nice place to work (slow, steady growth means slow, steady progression and a long time to break 100k).

I got lucky and got a good corporate gig (it's taken me 3 years to get to $100k) and I was REALLY lucky. Unless you have previous corporate experience (read: typed in a big bizjet AND have contacts) you will need similar luck.

For those who are just now exploring other avenues in aviation, they are pretty well worn down paths now. You will be just another airline guy trying to get while the gettin's good and your resume will end up in the round-file just like the USAir, UAL, NWA, etc. guys who came before you.

You think you can just waltz out and get another $100k/yr. job? Be my guest. TC

 

[RJDC]

Is this supposed to be funny? It really isn't. How do you know I won't make as much as I do now? I am still an FO (a senior one, though) and I am almost 41 years old, with more years to go. I can try that Eva job my buddy is pushing, or I can try other things. Management does NOT have us by the ballz, since we are a different group with different needs. You are the one with penus envy----do you feel small next to our planes? I think so. Get turned down? Yeah. Wow, if I go to another carrier I will have to start over. Wow, that is news to me! (Tell that to the RJDC memebers, no wonder they want large airplanes without having to START over. Now I can see why!!!) I may have to start over, but my wife won't have to, and she has a great job. We could survive well without my job. But, you knew that.

You really sound like an idiot, and you trying to push my buttons will not persuade me from NOT striking if this thing doesn't turn around. I will do just fine.

Bye Bye--General Lee

What's wrong with that? I'm sure YOU want to fly larger airplanes at YOUR airline, so why can't I be allowed to fly larger airplanes at MY airline?

 

[FN FAL]

There are plenty of jobs that make over $100k.

I knew a field service tech at job I had about 7 years ago that made over 90K turning wrenches. The only downside was the job required being away from home a lot.

 

[TV9Driver]

I'll echo what my former TWA colleague TC said. It ain't easy finding a new career after getting furloughed. I was making $100K when I was furloughed.

I was "lucky" and was hired by a small company right when I got furloughed. I sold horticulture products all day and flew a small turboprop about 2 times a week for $29K/year.

Then, I worked as a captain on a King Air for an air ambulance company making approximately $42K/year.

Then I worked for the gov't in a non-flying job for a year at $45K.

Now i'm in my second year at AirTran making approx $60K and still another 2 years til Captain (ie $100K+) IF (a big IF) everything keeps going like it is supposed to.

I thought about starting my own business, but that's not an option when you are the only one bringing in an income and you have a wife and kids who need medical insurance, food, clothes, school, etc... Did I mention that I had to use up almost all of my savings (approx. $100K) in those 3 1/2 years just to stay afloat.

I'm not complaining, just illustrating the realities....

Thanks again AA.

 

[General Lee]

G. Lee.....if Delta goes down (greater than 50% chance), then you'll have even more time to post here at Flightinfo!!

Greater than a 50% chance? Where did you get that? Management will fold because they know if they don't they won't get the same lucrative deal UAL's management got---8% of the stock. It is all about the money. And, the creditors will be out millions of $$$$$$$, so they will cave if we walk too. But, we have to be ready to, and I think we will be.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What's wrong with that? I'm sure YOU want to fly larger airplanes at YOUR airline, so why can't I be allowed to fly larger airplanes at MY airline?

We can fly larger airplanes, because we ARE the pilots at the Major airline. We also negotiate directly with management, and an agreement with us is contingent on satisfying our wants as well. We don't want larger planes at the subsidiaries, and that is one thing we will say no to. Larger planes at your airline mean fewer planes at ours. That won't float. You need to apply to CAL, they are hiring and you can probably fly one of those larger planes there.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[astroglider]

management hack

>>When will you Delta guys WAKE UP??? "Come back to a little planet I like to call 'the real world'" Management has you by the bal$$, so BOHIC. Despite all of management's despicable actions, you must remember...YOU ARE BANKRUPT! You have no options. Get on board, grab a pail, and start bailing water. Else, walk the plank and drown yourself.<<

>>>And since most Delta pilots are on their 3rd wife who quit working the day they got married, there is no way they are going back to work to pay for spa treatments...most of them swore to never do another table dance again.<<<

Since you decided to start the name calling...You SIR sound to me like a management hack or possibly someone who's name appears on the SCABS.com website? Especially that crack about most DAL pilots are on their 3rd wife (an ex stripper to boot). I'm sorry you seem to be such a loser and had a hard time finding another job. GMAFB! This slide down the toilet here at Delta hasn't happened overnight. It's taken over 4 years...don't ya think we've got our personal financial ships in order??? We're ready for this! I hope we get a fair agreement here at DAL but if we don't I'm voting no and looking for another job. NO PICKETING REQUIRED because DAL will be GONE. SO BE IT. As a matter of fact I'm interviewing Monday morning. Delta is my fourth airline and I have no problem moving on to my fifth. I love the job, hate the typical airline management types...and really hate those who knock the piloting profession!

I'm guessing by your screen name you're an ex-TWA guy who thinks he got screwed by AMR. Weren't you the guys who screwed OZARK?

and my wife, she's my first and only wife, she's been with me through my CFI days, commuter days, Delta days, moved her all over the country...she's never complained. I know the majority of my DAL friends are in the same boat. My wife, who makes $300/day as a "temp fill-in" Dental Hygienist, outearned me until my second year at DAL. She can easily support us now and it looks likely she will have to until I get another job.

 

[General Lee]

Well, in defense of Splinter, here goes:

Having lost my $160k/year job I can tell you that there are few $100k jobs out there. Yeah, I looked at Emirates, WASINC (good gig but didnt' want to move to HNL AND I can't pass the astronaut physical like my friend Helmsman) and didn't even consider EVA because they require a Taipei base which sucks. Emirates treats you like a commodity (PM Typhoonpilot for input) and starts at around $80k with slow upgrade. Dubai should be lovely this time of year... Shenzhen and China Eastern are hiring. Shenzhen is a great town--if you liked Bladerunner.

Some of my friends are doing contruction ($50k/year off the books) and own Jiffy Lubes or DQ's. That's an 80 hour a WEEK job, not 80 hours a month. Big difference. Oh, yeah, to clear $100k you need at least three stores. Franchise fees are paid upfront, too and generally run from the low six-figures to $1M.

Some are at NetJets (NJA, not NJI--just try to get an interview there) or CS or other fracs. Not gonna break $100k for quite a while. Some went to JB (that two year upgrade is slipping to three or more...) or AirTran (still cookin' along but you never know--plus you start at $40k and won't see six figures for several years). Frontier is a really nice place to work (slow, steady growth means slow, steady progression and a long time to break 100k).

I got lucky and got a good corporate gig (it's taken me 3 years to get to $100k) and I was REALLY lucky. Unless you have previous corporate experience (read: typed in a big bizjet AND have contacts) you will need similar luck.

For those who are just now exploring other avenues in aviation, they are pretty well worn down paths now. You will be just another airline guy trying to get while the gettin's good and your resume will end up in the round-file just like the USAir, UAL, NWA, etc. guys who came before you.

You think you can just waltz out and get another $100k/yr. job? Be my guest. TC

What you aren't seeing is that there a plenty of management people facing the same thing, including management lawyers and negotiators. They don't want to loose their cushy jobs either. The creditors don't want to lose out on cashing in on new stock and trying to make back the losses they have incurred. There are plenty of people out there who are thinking about this, and some have far more to lose. Thank gawd my wife makes a great wage. I can't wait to work at Wendy's--free food!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Occam's Razor]

AA717Driver,

You are now on my must-read list.

That was a well-written, well-reasoned post. I appreciate it.

I'm one of those is-this-deal-too-sucky-to-accept pilots right now, and my cursory investigation of the job market outside the airlines has me playing Powerball regularly now (I got a "C-" in Statistics!).

This was my favorite: "Dubai should be lovely this time of year... Shenzhen and China Eastern are hiring. Shenzhen is a great town--if you liked Bladerunner."

 

[astroglider]

hey RJDC...

didn't you used to haunt the AOL boards. Still spouting that crap about encroaching on the mainline flying. Sounds like you haven't learned a thing about SCOPE.

Look at the first paragraph of any pilot groups contract. YOU'RE FLYING ROUTES THAT THE MAINLINE PILOTS AND MANAGEMENT NEGOTIATED. In short "the mainline pilots" routes. That's what scope clauses are all about. If we decided all flying must be done by mainline pilots you'd be finished. If you ask me this should have been taken care of decades ago.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What's wrong with that? I'm sure YOU want to fly larger airplanes at YOUR airline, so why can't I be allowed to fly larger airplanes at MY airline?

Because you are trying to trick f#$% the system for your own personal gain. If you can do that.... great....

But really your whole premise is based on the last six years. If the airline industry were growing, you would not have the support level that you do.... If pilots were going to the majors you'd be the corner crazy crying about the end of (your) world.

so, when the industry does pick back up, your following will dry up.....

Finally, the RJDC needs a check up from the neck up......

 

[D'Angelo]

Ahh, another quote from Jack Handy (General Lee):
"As far as other aviation positions available, most of us could get jobs either overseas (I have a buddy in Taipei who flies Eva MD11s for the Cargo side), or they will just do something else. This was a career, and it is turning into a bad job. Also, other airlines will grow as a result of a liquidation, and I am sure they would take some or most of our guys."

Dude, what color is the sky in your world? And speaking of...

When will you Delta guys WAKE UP??? "Come back to a little planet I like to call 'the real world'" Management has you by the bal$$, so BOHIC. Despite all of management's despicable actions, you must remember...YOU ARE BANKRUPT! You have no options. Get on board, grab a pail, and start bailing water. Else, walk the plank and drown yourself.

NEWSFLASH! $100,000 jobs represent less than 0.5% of all jobs in America!

Unless you can pitch for the Braves, you Atlanta folks will not find a better paying job than Delta AFTER you get hosed by the Arbitration Panel.

Without an airline, 99.99% of us are too undereducated to qualify for $100,000 jobs. You WILL NOT find a job that pays that well anytime soon. Your best hope is to hook on with another carrier and take a BIGGER PAYCUT to be on probation. The industry has learned from Eastern and no one will trip over themselves to hire ex-Delta pilots who will only pollute their culture and poison the attitude of the pilot group. Air Tran anyone?

G.Lee, if Delta goes down, you will NEVER earn more than you make now. Some interviewer will see through all of your elegance, suave, and sophistication.

Take the blue pill, Neo.

Now thats what im talking about right there baby!! The problem is these guys want to hold onto their big paychecks working as little as possible. You cant have it both ways. Every other job that you make that much money you have to WORK a lot more than you do at an airline. At least at first anyway. You dont get to making 100k/yr by having 17 days off/ month plus all that vacation you get a year. The biggest problem these guys would face is that they would actually have to WORK again. Even with pay cuts and guys still making 100 k? Sign me up. If they go down as sacraficial lambs it wont help the industry one bit. Too many pilots not enough jobs. Its simple economics really. Sorry you guys will be taking a paycut one way or the other. Either a 100% cut or a smaller cut. hmmm lets see 2 choices taking a 100% pay cut to "hold the line" when no one will even appriciate it? Your other choice is taking the cut, still having the ability to make well over 100K at later points? I can see if you want to"hold the line" so people can walk all over you then you really must not be using your logic. If you really want out take the smaller cut then get another job. I swear pilots think in a mob mentality instead of using their logic. Oh well at least some of us here possess logic. Comair lives and the guys that want out still leave. That way people move up faster. Its a win win for everyone! HOLLA

 

[AA717driver]

I'm guessing by your screen name you're an ex-TWA guy who thinks he got screwed by AMR. Weren't you the guys who screwed OZARK?

I assume you are referring to me. If not, I'll still field the question since I am ex-TWA.

Even though I was hired two years after the Ozark acquisition, I bear full responsibility for the screwing the OZ guys got. If I could, I would take back the deal that gave them STRAIGHT DATE OF HIRE with two year fences.

Now, if you want to talk about screwing someone, maybe we could have a Pan Am 747 F/O (non-Airbus rated) step up and give us the benefit of their experience? TC

 

[CFIT]

Everything AAdvr said is 100% true.

But when the shop really does close, and the next pay check isn't there, that is about as bad as it gets.

Having possibilities is one thing, but waiting 6 months for your next pay stub is another.

I've been there.

 

[pgcfii2002]

Ahh, another quote from Jack Handy (General Lee):
"As far as other aviation positions available, most of us could get jobs either overseas (I have a buddy in Taipei who flies Eva MD11s for the Cargo side), or they will just do something else. This was a career, and it is turning into a bad job. Also, other airlines will grow as a result of a liquidation, and I am sure they would take some or most of our guys."

Dude, what color is the sky in your world? And speaking of...

When will you Delta guys WAKE UP??? "Come back to a little planet I like to call 'the real world'" Management has you by the bal$$, so BOHIC. Despite all of management's despicable actions, you must remember...YOU ARE BANKRUPT! You have no options. Get on board, grab a pail, and start bailing water. Else, walk the plank and drown yourself.

NEWSFLASH! $100,000 jobs represent less than 0.5% of all jobs in America!

Unless you can pitch for the Braves, you Atlanta folks will not find a better paying job than Delta AFTER you get hosed by the Arbitration Panel.

Without an airline, 99.99% of us are too undereducated to qualify for $100,000 jobs. You WILL NOT find a job that pays that well anytime soon. Your best hope is to hook on with another carrier and take a BIGGER PAYCUT to be on probation. The industry has learned from Eastern and no one will trip over themselves to hire ex-Delta pilots who will only pollute their culture and poison the attitude of the pilot group. Air Tran anyone?

G.Lee, if Delta goes down, you will NEVER earn more than you make now. Some interviewer will see through all of your elegance, suave, and sophistication.

Take the blue pill, Neo.

Anybody who is interested should read "Delta Airlines - Debunking the Myth" Really good insight on how screwed up this company really is.

 

[Splinter]

WOW! Struck a chord! So many guys seem to think they have a plan B. Let me ask you this...

What about the other employees of Delta and their families? What are you doing for them and their job placement? Since only the pilots can strike, then you will be responsible for liquidation. What did the dispatchers, mechanics, and service personnel ever do to you? Your bitterness over years of inept management, terrible business decisions, and inability to adjust to a dynamic post 9-11 industry is no excuse to put others in the crossfire. It's a different industry now, but it's not your place to bury Delta because you are getting the shaft. Plenty of other families are suffering along with you and DON'T WANT to find plan B. They want to rebuild Delta back to what it once was, and if you selfishly strike, you ruin the lives of tens of thousands of other families who do not have the options you claim to have. We as pilots can live anywhere and commute. What about families in Salt Lake, Atlanta, and Cincinatti who will lose their homes, uproot their children from schools, and lose their marriages because Delta was liquidated? Where is plan B with skyrocketing local unemployment and the sudden influx of homes for sale?

It's time to buck up, Delta pilots. Management abuses the system to this day and will continue to do so because the system is broken. ALPA is powerless at this point because bankruptcy law and the Railway Labor Act are simultaneously antiquated and corrupt. You will not institute change by striking in the face of insurmountable ignorance and greed. Anyone remember Eastern, Braniff, and old CAL? Everything Lorenzo touched went T.U. because the system sucks.

The enemy here is the law, not the imbeciles on the other side of the table that put everyone in this situation. Band together, and work it out. Only through survival can your voice be heard and lobby for change. No one gave a damn about Eastern pilots when the company died. Strikes are retarded anyways...any union member will tell you that you are more disruptive on line than on strike. Band together against poor management. Do you think Leo Mullin gives a rip? Never did either! Management is greedy and they don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. Men and women on furlough have more tenure at Delta than he did. Meanwhile, he's on another vacation in a Tahitian hut daytrading $1 million here and there as a hobby and memorizing dive tables. Labor has got to look out for each other, not just your own occupation within the company.

You Delta pilots are not going this alone. However, if you continue to alienate your fellow Delta employees, they you will continue to garner no support and be burned in efigy. How would you feel if AFA organized at Delta and struck until the company dissolved? What about your families? What about your kids in school? It's different when it's someone else's fight that puts you in the crossfire.

Think about what you are threatening to do. Negotiate a solution. Don't ruin the lives of people you obviously never considered before. Thank goodness United and Northwest finally understood that bitter medicine is better than the chair. Take a page out of their playbook and PUNT!

 

[D'Angelo]

Thats right. How is it doing any good to throw everyone to the street. Starting over at a new airline for lower pay? Yea guys your really holding the bar that way!

 

[twiceskunkeddog]

Hey Guys....

Easy does it... How bout lets talk about....

FedEx

Yeah Baby!!! You can do it!!!
- Jacka$$ in the ponytail

 

[pilotyip]

splinter, this is a pilot board, stop dealing in reality. They want the good ole days back, and you are not on board with the program. Show them who is boss by not voting in the next presidential election.

 

[General Lee]

Now thats what im talking about right there baby!! The problem is these guys want to hold onto their big paychecks working as little as possible. You cant have it both ways. Every other job that you make that much money you have to WORK a lot more than you do at an airline. At least at first anyway. You dont get to making 100k/yr by having 17 days off/ month plus all that vacation you get a year. The biggest problem these guys would face is that they would actually have to WORK again. Even with pay cuts and guys still making 100 k? Sign me up. If they go down as sacraficial lambs it wont help the industry one bit. Too many pilots not enough jobs. Its simple economics really. Sorry you guys will be taking a paycut one way or the other. Either a 100% cut or a smaller cut. hmmm lets see 2 choices taking a 100% pay cut to "hold the line" when no one will even appriciate it? Your other choice is taking the cut, still having the ability to make well over 100K at later points? I can see if you want to"hold the line" so people can walk all over you then you really must not be using your logic. If you really want out take the smaller cut then get another job. I swear pilots think in a mob mentality instead of using their logic. Oh well at least some of us here possess logic. Comair lives and the guys that want out still leave. That way people move up faster. Its a win win for everyone! HOLLA

You really are an idiot also. We don't work? I guess my 85 hours of flying last month didn't count? The PBS gives you a line with an average line value, and then you can pick up trips if you want after that, from what is left. Some months there are no open trips available even if you wanted to fly more. Last month I received a 77 hour line, and picked up an extra turn worth a total of 85 hours. Not much more I could do unless I wanted to fly over 100 hours, which is NOT allowed.

As far as taking another pay cut, I don't think so. We have given enough. There could be some small work rule changes, but that might be it. No scope changes for you---we will vote that DOWN. And, if we get a 100% pay cut, so do you bro! And, I will make it to manager at Wendy's before you do----so go make some more fries while you're at it, and then go clean up the Men's bathroom.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Stifler's Mom]

General,

Just learn to ignore Duh' Angelo as best as possible. Fortunately these "Management's Wet Dream" types are in the minority. Atleast I hope they are.