Wake up! Your career is dying!

[CaptainMark]

this fag " Dangelo " is a total douchebag...PERIOD!

 

[General Lee]

WOW! Struck a chord! So many guys seem to think they have a plan B. Let me ask you this...

What about the other employees of Delta and their families? What are you doing for them and their job placement? Since only the pilots can strike, then you will be responsible for liquidation. What did the dispatchers, mechanics, and service personnel ever do to you? Your bitterness over years of inept management, terrible business decisions, and inability to adjust to a dynamic post 9-11 industry is no excuse to put others in the crossfire. It's a different industry now, but it's not your place to bury Delta because you are getting the shaft. Plenty of other families are suffering along with you and DON'T WANT to find plan B. They want to rebuild Delta back to what it once was, and if you selfishly strike, you ruin the lives of tens of thousands of other families who do not have the options you claim to have. We as pilots can live anywhere and commute. What about families in Salt Lake, Atlanta, and Cincinatti who will lose their homes, uproot their children from schools, and lose their marriages because Delta was liquidated? Where is plan B with skyrocketing local unemployment and the sudden influx of homes for sale?

It's time to buck up, Delta pilots. Management abuses the system to this day and will continue to do so because the system is broken. ALPA is powerless at this point because bankruptcy law and the Railway Labor Act are simultaneously antiquated and corrupt. You will not institute change by striking in the face of insurmountable ignorance and greed. Anyone remember Eastern, Braniff, and old CAL? Everything Lorenzo touched went T.U. because the system sucks.

The enemy here is the law, not the imbeciles on the other side of the table that put everyone in this situation. Band together, and work it out. Only through survival can your voice be heard and lobby for change. No one gave a dang about Eastern pilots when the company died. Strikes are retarded anyways...any union member will tell you that you are more disruptive on line than on strike. Band together against poor management. Do you think Leo Mullin gives a rip? Never did either! Management is greedy and they don't give a dang about anyone but themselves. Men and women on furlough have more tenure at Delta than he did. Meanwhile, he's on another vacation in a Tahitian hut daytrading $1 million here and there as a hobby and memorizing dive tables. Labor has got to look out for each other, not just your own occupation within the company.

You Delta pilots are not going this alone. However, if you continue to alienate your fellow Delta employees, they you will continue to garner no support and be burned in efigy. How would you feel if AFA organized at Delta and struck until the company dissolved? What about your families? What about your kids in school? It's different when it's someone else's fight that puts you in the crossfire.

Think about what you are threatening to do. Negotiate a solution. Don't ruin the lives of people you obviously never considered before. Thank goodness United and Northwest finally understood that bitter medicine is better than the chair. Take a page out of their playbook and PUNT!

Thanks Leo Mullin for that UNITY speech. When it comes down to it, we all bargin for ourselves. If you have watched this closely, you can see that we are the only ones with a contract or a union. (besides a few dispatchers) We are treated differently, and when negotiating you really only focus on your group. Should we liquidate, that would be unfortunate for all of those other employees, but the blame would and should be placed on the people who got us in this position in the first place, and we pilots did NOT casue the $12 billion loss ourselves. We have given more than enough to help this place, and after awhile it becomes fruitless to give anymore. I won't vote for a crappy TA, and I certainly won't vote for one with scope relief. We have given enough, and I believe most of us will vote that way. They still can negotiate this out, and the creditors would be fools to not give in over a paltry $150 million or so difference, especially since they would gain most of that back in the form of new stock. Look at UAL and how well they did. We have given enough.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CaptainMark]

guys like him are scabs or would be scabs...this passenger industry will rebound and pilots will get what they deserve for moving millions of people safely all over the world..these asses of this board like pilotyip and dickangelo have failed careers and wish nothing but bad things on those that made it and have to struggle with the industry now....

 

[buttercup]

Can one of you Delta guys answer this. I havent really followed Delta's financial situation too closely but I do remember back in the late 90's Leo Mullin authorized a huge stock buyback somewhere around 70 dollars a share. I remember going out for drinks with my buddy who is an aviation analyst for goldman Sachs and he said "That guy is a fuc*ing moron how the hell is he CEO". Apparently the stock had an intrinsic value of about 30 dollars a share at that time. Did DAL have any debt at that time that could have been paid off instead of buying such a large amount at an overly inflated price? And if so do you think DAL would be in a much better fiscal position today or would thios situation still be inevitable? Thank you for your time.

 

[buttercup]

guys like him are scabs or would be scabs...this passenger industry will rebound and pilots will get what they deserve for moving millions of people safely all over the world..these asses of this board like pilotyip and dickangelo have failed careers and wish nothing but bad things on those that made it and have to struggle with the industry now....

You tell em. Pilotyip is out of control. He's advised younger guys not to go to college if they want to be pilots. What kind of sh*t is that? Even worse he swears 100K is alot of money. The bastardization of a once proud industry continues! You're right he never made it so instead of encouraging he wants others to wallow in his pity and make himself feel better. As for that Dangelo kid, it's allright for the guy in his avatar to make multi-millions per year talking about pimpin hos and butterin up big booties but yet a pilot should take concessions up the asz down to unjust levels just so they can say they fly a jet..

 

[Rogue5]

The PBS gives you a line with an average line value, and then you can pick up trips if you want after that, from what is left. Some months there are no open trips available even if you wanted to fly more. Last month I received a 77 hour line, and picked up an extra turn worth a total of 85 hours. Not much more I could do unless I wanted to fly over 100 hours, which is NOT allowed.

Picking up trips in open time while you've got furloughs out on the street?

I thought that was a major no-no...

 

[N2264J]

Re: Wake up! Your caree is dying!

Last month I received a 77 hour line, and picked up an extra turn worth a total of 85 hours. Not much more I could do unless I wanted to fly over 100 hours, which is NOT allowed.

After all the compassionate hand wringing you did for the furloughees at Delta, you're picking up open time while your brothers are on the street?

---so go make some more fries while you're at it, and then go clean up the Men's bathroom.

Indeed.

 

[T-1GUY]

It seems that everyone is making the assumption that a Strike by the Pilots would end the company. Do you really think so??? I think at that point, the creditors and suppliers would pony up the difference and everyone would be back to work on Monday... Is it really so cut and dry??

 

[General Lee]

Can one of you Delta guys answer this. I havent really followed Delta's financial situation too closely but I do remember back in the late 90's Leo Mullin authorized a huge stock buyback somewhere around 70 dollars a share. I remember going out for drinks with my buddy who is an aviation analyst for goldman Sachs and he said "That guy is a fuc*ing moron how the hell is he CEO". Apparently the stock had an intrinsic value of about 30 dollars a share at that time. Did DAL have any debt at that time that could have been paid off instead of buying such a large amount at an overly inflated price? And if so do you think DAL would be in a much better fiscal position today or would thios situation still be inevitable? Thank you for your time.

Just prior to 9-11 Leo and his pals bought up $2 billion worth of Delta stock, which later evaporated thanks to 9-11 and the downfall. Our last Judge--Prudy---asked the DL lawyer why Leo did that? He said to help Delta gain back more ownership, and she stated "yeah, and to inflate their options worth." That $2 billion could have been used to pay down some debt.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

It seems that everyone is making the assumption that a Strike by the Pilots would end the company. Do you really think so??? I think at that point, the creditors and suppliers would pony up the difference and everyone would be back to work on Monday... Is it really so cut and dry??

If we struck for an extended amount of time, it would shut the place down. But, you are right, the creditors have a lot to lose. Look at AMEX--they have 25 MILLION SkyMiles members for their credit Card. GE would lose their shirt when 400 airplanes are parked. (and all of those 50 seat RJs) The State of Georgia would lose thousands of jobs, and that would be the same (but smaller) in NYC, CVG, and SLC. Plenty of people don't want a strike, and maybe that will FORCE the company to negotiate. We never said we wouldn't negotiate, but we won't be rolled over. Nope. And, again, this group of ours is now made up of a "younger" group, after all of those loyal 2300 captains retired. That is what makes us different than NW and their load of senior guys.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

After all the compassionate hand wringing you did for the furloughees at Delta, you're picking up open time while your brothers are on the street?



Indeed.

Did I say it was a greenslip? Nope. I guess according to you I should tell PBS I want only 60 hours a month and then just spend more time on Flightinfo........


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[N2264J]

Did I say it was a greenslip? Nope. I guess according to you I should tell PBS I want only 60 hours a month and then just spend more time on Flightinfo........

Did I say you were a hypocrite? Nope.

Last month I received a 77 hour line, and picked up an extra turn worth a total of 85 hours. Not much more I could do unless I wanted to fly over 100 hours, which is NOT allowed.

 

[Rogue5]

Last month I received a 77 hour line, and picked up an extra turn worth a total of 85 hours.

So, did you, or did you not pick up open time?

Did I say it was a greenslip? Nope. I guess according to you I should tell PBS I want only 60 hours a month and then just spend more time on Flightinfo........

 

[737 Pylt]

After all the compassionate hand wringing you did for the furloughees at Delta, you're picking up open time while your brothers are on the street?

Nice rjdc type spin....But you girls are used to that. Its called "white slipping." You ought to know, you rjdc girls know everything, right??
Hows the lawsuit sparky?? You guys get your $millions yet? You all gonna be 777 captains soon?? Better keep those funds going to Haber, he's laughing at you morons all the way to the bank!
737

 

[astroglider]

the other DAL employees???

We care about the future of OUR families period. If that means taking another pay cut and staying at DAL then fine it's a personal decision. How that decision affects other DAL employee families??? Not really high on the decision tree. I'm doing what I think will allow the pilot's to make the most money per hour possible, end of story. If we fail and we strike then it's time to move on. So be it. I, like everyone else wish there was a better way to come to an agreement but unfortunately the stakes are high and therefore it could get pretty ugly next month.

 

[N2264J]

Nice rjdc type spin....But you girls are used to that. Its called "white slipping." You ought to know, you rjdc girls know everything, right?? Hows the lawsuit sparky?? You guys get your $millions yet? You all gonna be 777 captains soon?? Better keep those funds going to Haber, he's laughing at you morons all the way to the bank! 737

Instead of cutting and pasting excerpts from your previous screeds, would it be too much trouble for you to think up a new insult?

 

[General Lee]

So, did you, or did you not pick up open time?

Yes, but that is allowed by the contract. It was not a greenslip, which is taking advantage of the furloughed pilots. If reserves were available, which they were, then they would have flown the trip. You don't seem to understand how things work here (because you DON'T work here). Greenslips are time and a half and are a direct result of a shortage of pilots, because they are only utilized when they have run out of reserves. Whiteslips (which is what I did) allow open time pickup for line holders only, and the reserves are normally given enough trips to get them CLOSE to but NOT over the guarantee. If all of the line holders and reserves are flying, then they turn to greenslips (when they should be returning furloughed pilots), and if they don't have any of those, they go to inverse assignments (double pay), and usually give those to unwilling pilots via ACARS on their last leg home. Whiteslips are trips that will be flown regardless.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[pilotyip]

Hey name calling never solved anything, my prospective is from that of an unemployed union airline pilot. When your airline goes out of business, much like 717 said, no one cares if you are an unemployed airline pilot. Even with a couple a degrees, plumping fixtures at Home Depot may be the best job a 50 year old unemployed airline pilot finds. That is the reality of the real world. BTW I have sworn off the no college thing until after Easter.

 

[Splinter]

General,

Just learn to ignore Duh' Angelo as best as possible. Fortunately these "Management's Wet Dream" types are in the minority. Atleast I hope they are.

I have just seen the coolest name on this board.

 

[737 Pylt]

Instead of cutting and pasting excerpts from your previous screeds, would it be too much trouble for you to think up a new insult?

You mean like:

By the way, how's that Brand Scope workin' out for ya?

What's the matter sparky, spend all your $millions counting on winning that monstrous lawsuit?
737

 

[N2264J]

Yes, but that is allowed by the contract...You don't seem to understand how things work here (because you DON'T work here)... Whiteslips (which is what I did) allow open time pickup for line holders only, and the reserves are normally given enough trips to get them CLOSE to but NOT over the guarantee...Whiteslips are trips that will be flown regardless.

Right. He's picking up open time while Delta pilots are on the street.

And after all the sanctimonious ridicule of Comair pilots who wouldn't hire the Delta furloughees without them resigning their seniority number (as if Comair pilots were actually responsible for the hiring policy).

Generally went on and on endlessly as he wiped a tear from his eye hoping his beloved and precious furloughees, all the way to TBKane, would return to the cockpits as soon as possible while condemning the vile, mean, ole miscreant Comair pilots. This tirade went on for months. I bet 3,000 of his 6,000 posts was on this very subject.

Then, he insults everyone's intelligence by explaining that it's not the same at Delta - picking up open time is allowed by the contract - an exercise of your seniority and it doesn't affect the furloughees.

But should we fault Generally for his indiscretion? I suspect he's doing it because everyone else over there is doing it. And that's the type of leadership that's put ALPA where it is today.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I have just seen the coolest name on this board.

I've just seen the gayest name on the board! Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles???? Are you kidding me!

 

[FatAlbert]

Hey Hey Hey!!!!

This career is like the stock market. Up then down. It will rebound!

 

[N2264J]

You mean like:

By the way, how's that Brand Scope workin' out for ya?

Interesting that you should take that as a personal insult.

Well, since you've asked, let's review: After six years, there isn't any. In 2000, the Bilateral Scope Impact Committee was created as ALPA's "highest priority." The BSIC hasn't met in two years.

After ALPA assured the Comair and ASA MECs it was working hard to obtain Brand Scope (BS), some on the Delta MEC still have a difficult time explaining what it is exactly.

Now ALPA is championing the Fee-for-Departure Task Force. I guess the "powers that be" just lost all interest in Brand Scope.