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[be-400xpdriver]

9yr Capt at NetJets on the Encore
309 hours and 148 different airports in 2013
$119,508
Avg 12.5 days of work per month after using 3 weeks vacation and 12 pto/sick days.
NJA put 7,500 into my 401K

 

[JetFumes]

I understand why the thread exists. It's one thing to look at airline pay scales, and quite another to extrapolate into how that plays out into no kidding, real world life. Here are my stats for the year. I don't' have a W-2, but pulled my Dec 20th pay statement (last one of the year) to get my total. Here are my stats for 2013:

- 8 Year SWA FO
-- I live in domicile and am pretty senior on the FO list, which means I am able to get
some premium pay?which is time and a half. I do spend a few extra hours on the
computer each month looking to trade or give away trips and pick up better pay.
- Blocked 770 Hours
- Averaged 12.5 work days per month
-- Didn't add it up for precise numbers, but estimate I'm gone from home 6 to 9 days a
month.
- Was able to get every holiday, birthday and every significant event for my three kid's
sports and music activities off. Bottom line: I only worked the days I chose to work.
- Made $205,441 in income. The company put another $19,106 into my 401K, and I'll
will get profit-sharing next September based on how the company ends up doing which
is probably another 6 to 9 thousand dollars. I maxed out my 401K contribution at
$17,500.

Happy New Year All. Fly Safe and Enjoy our chosen profession.
Cheers,
Speed

Is this typical? If so, I'll just cry myself to sleep for the wreck my career has become at Blue. I was turned down by SWA back in 05, and have never recovered. Its so bad, in fact that I'm considering leaving the profession for good.

 

[Mr. Johnson]

Some of the most bitter and generally unhappy pilots I've ever met are wide body captains making over 250/ year and work 10 days a month....!

If an airline offered $250,000 a year to fly just one Wednesday a month, there would be those who complain the trip wasn't commutable......

 

[SWA Bubba]

Is this typical? If so, I'll just cry myself to sleep for the wreck my career has become at Blue. I was turned down by SWA back in 05, and have never recovered. Its so bad, in fact that I'm considering leaving the profession for good.

Probably not "typical." The key to his numbers is that he lives in domicile, and that he's senior in seat. You better believe that helps. If your idea of "quality of life" means living in a non-domicile city, then it won't work as well for you (less premium, more nights away from home, etc.). And obviously, more junior guys don't get as good of schedules. Your personal mileage may vary.

Bubba

 

[shagadelic]

Probably not "typical." The key to his numbers is that he lives in domicile, and that he's senior in seat.

I'm not all that senior (top 2/3 of captains in domicile) but I will say since Denver opened and I no longer commute I made over $50,000 more this year than last which was a 16.8% raise over last year's W-2...

There, I gave my W-2 but you gotta do way higher math to figure it out.

 

[Nindiri]

500 Quatloos this year.

 

[LearLove]

I got paid in bitcoin so it will take some time for me to convert to US dollars.

 

[Ty Webb]

Everyone has their own yardstick. I flew 580 block, got paid for 900 hours, and usually spent 3-4 long layovers in the Caribbean each month during the winter.

 

[pinn82]

Endeavor Air CRJ CA - $91K with $6K bribe money
Flew 510 Hours
Avg. 13.9 Days of Work a Month

 

[SIG600]

Some of the most bitter and generally unhappy pilots I've ever met are wide body captains making over 250/ year and work 10 days a month....!

If an airline offered $250,000 a year to fly just one Wednesday a month, there would be those who complain the trip wasn't commutable......

Awesome

 

[DougCorp-9]

I understand why the thread exists. It's one thing to look at airline pay scales, and quite another to extrapolate into how that plays out into no kidding, real world life. Here are my stats for the year. I don't' have a W-2, but pulled my Dec 20th pay statement (last one of the year) to get my total. Here are my stats for 2013:

- 8 Year SWA FO
-- I live in domicile and am pretty senior on the FO list, which means I am able to get
some premium pay?which is time and a half. I do spend a few extra hours on the
computer each month looking to trade or give away trips and pick up better pay.
- Blocked 770 Hours
- Averaged 12.5 work days per month
-- Didn't add it up for precise numbers, but estimate I'm gone from home 6 to 9 days a
month.
- Was able to get every holiday, birthday and every significant event for my three kid's
sports and music activities off. Bottom line: I only worked the days I chose to work.
- Made $205,441 in income. The company put another $19,106 into my 401K, and I'll
will get profit-sharing next September based on how the company ends up doing which
is probably another 6 to 9 thousand dollars. I maxed out my 401K contribution at
$17,500.

Happy New Year All. Fly Safe and Enjoy our chosen profession.
Cheers,
Speed

At your TFP rate of 125.30 you would have to have averaged 136 TFP per month. If you had 12.5 days of work per month it would mean you averaged 10.92 TFP per day. I'm gonna have to call BS on that one. Sorry.

 

[boxjockey]

Did you say something about TPS reports?

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[xray678]

Endeavor Air CRJ CA - $91K with $6K bribe money
Flew 510 Hours
Avg. 13.9 Days of Work a Month

13.9, not 14?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Did you say something about TPS reports?

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MMMMMMyeahhhh, did you SEE the memo about TPS reports Peter?

 

[redflyer65]

At your TFP rate of 125.30 you would have to have averaged 136 TFP per month. If you had 12.5 days of work per month it would mean you averaged 10.92 TFP per day. I'm gonna have to call BS on that one. Sorry.

If he's flying premium (which he said he was), you can easily make 136 TFP per month, while actually working around 95-98 TFP equivalent. There are guys flying enough premium to credit 220-250 and more. I made 180k on 4yr rate, but it was all straight time. Maybe only 10-12 days off per month (my choice), but the retirement and banking account are looking good. The money is there is you want it, so are the days off if that's your bag.

 

[nwaf16dude]

14 year Delta 7ER FO, very junior in category and a commuter, so zero premium pay, and not a whole lot of international pay. Made 148K in flight pay. 9K profit share. 27k company retirement contribution (more than normal 14% because I was targeted under the old NWA plan.) 645 block hours. I was on reserve for about half the year and worked very little. Worked my @ss off the other half of the year.

 

[Beechdriver32]

DC-9-- that's the thing-

When you factor in 3 weeks of Vacation that pay about 50 credits each. 2 sick pulls and lots of premium -- And living in base and being somewhat flexible-- it's more than doable.

9 year FO, in a JR base. 148 TFP average, made all kids events, but did work 4 Saturdays in 2013. 730 Block hours.

You just gotta be a little flexible and adapt to a new paradigm. It's not gonna be given to you the first of the month. Sometimes it's a little uncomfortable seeing your board with 0 credits for the next month-- but if you willing to play, the payoff is nice.

Or you can just fly your line and go home. Or a little bit of both. All up to you.

And call the BS flag all you want, and try and call out folks trying to inform. But you're really only showing that you don't understand how our pay system works.

 

[redflyer65]

Along with what Beech has said, I can count on 3 months with a credit of 140+. Two vacation months and my training month. You work hard but get rewarded well. Three months of 140+ is a third of the year right there. Then you add on the third week of vacation at year 5. You get the point.

 

[jonjuan]

14 year Delta 7ER FO, very junior in category and a commuter, so zero premium pay, and not a whole lot of international pay. Made 148K in flight pay. 9K profit share. 27k company retirement contribution (more than normal 14% because I was targeted under the old NWA plan.) 645 block hours. I was on reserve for about half the year and worked very little. Worked my @ss off the other half of the year.

So wait, you are junior, but the general hired at the same time is senior and makes more than most SWA CAs as she claims?
As a comparison, what are 14 year SWA peeps seeing?

 

[Skyboy722]

9th yr SWA FO, 152k not including per diem, profit sharing, retirement, etc. 658hrs. Live in domicile, only really "play the game" in the summer months, and even then only about 120-140 trips. Most wouldn't consider that "playing the game" at all. The rest of the year I'm a completely shameless lazy ass. Like, never, ever qualify for buddy passes kind of lazy ass.

 

[n757st]

B6 3/4th year. 125,000. 900 hours, ~15 days off, living in base. We have a ways to go it appears.

 

[nwaf16dude]

So wait, you are junior, but the general hired at the same time is senior and makes more than most SWA CAs as she claims?
As a comparison, what are 14 year SWA peeps seeing?

I don't know who GL is, but if he was hired at Delta the same month I was hired at NWA, then he is almost 1800 numbers senior to me, which would give him access to much better trips and premium pay. Our senior wide-body FOs can make a whole lot more than I did, especially if they live in base and are available on short notice. Our premium pay is 200%.

 

[General Lee]

So wait, you are junior, but the general hired at the same time is senior and makes more than most SWA CAs as she claims?
As a comparison, what are 14 year SWA peeps seeing?

Notice he said he was FNWA. I was hired well before that, and he said 14 years, which would be about a 99 hire at NWA, blended in with 2001 hires at DL. Big difference in seniority. I tend to get 3 day Europe trips (with an occasional 4 day Rome lately), and the greenslips have been raining down on us lately. A friend of mine in SEA (a 767ER FO) just got a 5 day greenslip that involved deadheading to Tokyo (20 hour layover), flying a ferry flight to Hong Kong, 31 hours later dead heading back to Tokyo, and then a deadhead to SEA. It was worth 32 hours, but as a greenslip it was worth 64 hours, at $155 an hour, for one leg flown. Keep trying Jonny, you still look foolish, though...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[hoover84]

B6 E190 CA
9th yr.
900 hrs
14 days off
Commute
193k

 

[redflyer65]

I don't know who GL is, but if he was hired at Delta the same month I was hired at NWA, then he is almost 1800 numbers senior to me, which would give him access to much better trips and premium pay. Our senior wide-body FOs can make a whole lot more than I did, especially if they live in base and are available on short notice. Our premium pay is 200%.

1800? Wow, you guys really didn't get treated that well. Sorry to hear that.

 

[General Lee]

1800? Wow, you guys really didn't get treated that well. Sorry to hear that.

Redflyer is lost again.....The 3 arbitrators decided what was fair, not the pilot groups via a CEO...... Sounds like he was scared of a fair award...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[CptMurf]

Redflyer is lost again.....The 3 arbitrators decided what was fair, not the pilot groups via a CEO...... Sounds like he was scared of a fair award...


Bye Bye---General Lee

I doubt you would have considered it a "fair" award had those 1800 been placed above you though, no matter who decided it.

 

[yoyoma]

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[General Lee]

I doubt you would have considered it a "fair" award had those 1800 been placed above you though, no matter who decided it.

I'm sure he doesn't like it, but when 3 arbitrators listen to testimony, pour over documents, and make a decision that isn't influenced by management, it's probably fair. Nobody but the number one guy is happy with arbitration, but it's done by NEUTRALS.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jonjuan]

1800? Wow, you guys really didn't get treated that well. Sorry to hear that.

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