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Good lord! I've never seen such negativity about "our beloved" company - and on our own blog!

What's that tell you? We're pointing the ship in the wrong direction. The clock is ticking and when the alarm goes off we'll wake up and be just like ________ . Who needs a stable job when you can be furloughed? Or whipsawed? Or cabatoged? Or even better - outsourced?

Gup
 
Good lord! I've never seen such negativity about "our beloved" company - and on our own blog!

What's that tell you? We're pointing the ship in the wrong direction. The clock is ticking and when the alarm goes off we'll wake up and be just like ________ . Who needs a stable job when you can be furloughed? Or whipsawed? Or cabatoged? Or even better - outsourced?

Gup

Does cabatoge make you toot?
 
I just hope we don't go under before I get to meet you GWN.
 
Good lord! I've never seen such negativity about "our beloved" company - and on our own blog!

What's that tell you? We're pointing the ship in the wrong direction. The clock is ticking and when the alarm goes off we'll wake up and be just like ________ . Who needs a stable job when you can be furloughed? Or whipsawed? Or cabatoged? Or even better - outsourced?

Gup

Really we have what.... 40,000 employees, how many have posted on that blog 10-20 mind you all with no names. We want a pay raise, we want a bigger 401k match we want we want we want, How do you think they are going to fund all of our wants. Time and time again they have treated us well and time and time again we complain. I just spoke to a union rep yesterday who said the BOD is verry happy with the current scope and code share language that we have, so how about you take a deep breath and just RELAX.
 
In my opinion, a codeshare should only be called a codeshare when it is sharing routes that another company already successfully flies.

If you are 'codesharing' with another airline so that they can start service to where you want them to go, that's more like subcontracting to me. Now Southwest is just like all of the other airlines, just starting the subcontracting game.
 
Really we have what.... 40,000 employees, how many have posted on that blog 10-20 mind you all with no names. We want a pay raise, we want a bigger 401k match we want we want we want, How do you think they are going to fund all of our wants. Time and time again they have treated us well and time and time again we complain. I just spoke to a union rep yesterday who said the BOD is verry happy with the current scope and code share language that we have, so how about you take a deep breath and just RELAX.

Gary is that you? Herb? Colleen? Come on, who are you?

PIPE
 
Man that was powerful stuff...I wonder if Gary will look up from his numbercrunching long enough to see the crumbling of trust and the potential downward spiral. I know he is no Herb, but I expected better than this.
 
Bravo's right...we've got plenty of expansion room where we KNOW we can make $$. This way we get some $$ from codeshare and we are still able to grow in MSP, etc...
Last year they said flat growth too, remember? 300 new hires ago...
relax
 
Like lambs to the slaughter.

Expansion? You do know there is a 6% reduction in January don't you? And we deferred over 1/2 of our 2009 deliveries. That aint growth boys.

Gup
 
Herb faced tougher challenges than we face right now and Herb never outsourced jobs. The crappy part of this is that Volaris doesn't even fly to the US now so we are not gaining ANY "expertise" here. Our growth now is stagnant...we are overmanned in fact and yields were up almost 15% year over year. This is not the SWA of old...Gary is not the entrepreneur Herb was and does not like to take risks. Guess what...any time you grow you take risks that the growth you bought will make your airline more profitable. The problem is that the wonderful goodwill it has with its employees is an integral part of its success. Without growth and seniority progression among all the labor groups, there will not be goodwill and we will become like any other airline. It wasn't that long ago that Delta was the up and comer who had never furloughed and whose employees bought the company a 767. How much longer til SWA becomes like Delta is now? Time will tell my friends...
 
Bottom line. I'm not quitting so I can voice my opinion and hope Mr. Kelly hears several thousand voices and rethinks this. Or better yet rallies the troops with explanations and timelines.

The only way I'd be happy with these codeshares is if the company agrees to timelines and insertion of WN planes and crews if loadfactors show stability. These partners should be growth projectors, not growth replacers.

Anyhoo. I've said my peace and I'm out. Nothing I can do about it anyway.

Gup
 
Mr. Kelly isn't going to "rethink" d!ck. This is a done deal, and all your big talk won't do a thing about it. You had better hope that he doesn't figure out that a 6% cut in flying would make more sense with some furloughs. My buddy has been saying that the company is pretty close to letting some folks go.
 
I don't know where that TC guy comes from..pretty easy to ignore though. I'm thinking he's an imposter, just can't figure out who.

Why didn't everyone have a cow when we codeshared with ATA...HK was still at the helm then. Codeshared for the same reasons...we make $$ on routes we cannot now fly. I don't see the difference...SWA was also predicting "flat growth" then for 2008, but it didn't happen!?

I'm with Gup, nothing I can do about it, but personally I'm not worried. Still got all those great LUB overnights to look forward to, right?
 
I don't know where that TC guy comes from..pretty easy to ignore though. I'm thinking he's an imposter, just can't figure out who.

Why didn't everyone have a cow when we codeshared with ATA...HK was still at the helm then. Codeshared for the same reasons...we make $$ on routes we cannot now fly. I don't see the difference...SWA was also predicting "flat growth" then for 2008, but it didn't happen!?

I'm with Gup, nothing I can do about it, but personally I'm not worried. Still got all those great LUB overnights to look forward to, right?

Tanker Clown = General Lee = Heavy Set + others

Let me spell this out for you...lots of us did not have a cow over ATA because most of what they flew under our code was to Hawaii using overwater ETOPS aircraft. Their planes and crews had the certs necessary to do this flying we did not. It would have cost a whole lotta money to get those certifications not to mention add the extra required overwater equipment, train the crews, etc.

This codeshare to Canada and Mexico is a whole different story as the extra requirements to do this flying are minimal. A codeshare point to point within Canada or Mexico obviously makes sense since we would not be granted authority to do that flying by those respective governments anyway. What is the big problem here is that Gary apparently wants to turn over all transborder flying to other airlines at the expense of our growth.

Lastly, Lubbock is LBB not LUB. How could you not know that?
 
I don't know where that TC guy comes from..pretty easy to ignore though. I'm thinking he's an imposter, just can't figure out who.

Why didn't everyone have a cow when we codeshared with ATA...HK was still at the helm then. Codeshared for the same reasons...we make $$ on routes we cannot now fly. I don't see the difference...SWA was also predicting "flat growth" then for 2008, but it didn't happen!?

I'm with Gup, nothing I can do about it, but personally I'm not worried. Still got all those great LUB overnights to look forward to, right?

Let me add to that list

TC = Heavy Set = General Lee = and probably you as well
 
Not Heavy Set or GL...but I do have one thing in common with those retards. Like them, I am capable of flying international. That's probably not a big selling point with the SWA croud though. They don't look like they'll be crossing any boarders any time soon.
 
TZ,
Sorry, guess I haven't had a LBB in awhile.
Hope you're not so tense in the airplane.
So you think with the economy in the tank, this is a great time to "start making money" on Mexico vacation routes...I don't. I think we'll make more, at less risk in MSP after Feb.
Chill...and many MDW crews for you...

Maybe TC is the SWA/FO?
 
Why didn't everyone have a cow when we codeshared with ATA...HK was still at the helm then. Codeshared for the same reasons...we make $$ on routes we cannot now fly.

waitin. You're either NOT a WN pilot or you are so new you have no idea what you are talking about. Herb was long gone when the ATA MDW codeshare for gates was here. So was JP. And I'm not "everyone" but I was screaming from the rafters on that deal as well.

See if I can clear it up. If you buy a ticket from Southwest Airlines you need to be flown by Southwest Airines pilots on Southwest Airlines jets. Capiche? Anything less is outsourcing our careers.

Gup
 
waitin. You're either NOT a WN pilot or you are so new you have no idea what you are talking about. Herb was long gone when the ATA MDW codeshare for gates was here. So was JP. And I'm not "everyone" but I was screaming from the rafters on that deal as well.

See if I can clear it up. If you buy a ticket from Southwest Airlines you need to be flown by Southwest Airines pilots on Southwest Airlines jets. Capiche? Anything less is outsourcing our careers.

Gup

Dude,
Judging by my date on FI, which is close to my SWA hire date (a little earlier than SWA hire), I'd say I'm senior to you. Herb STILL works for the company, and unless they have him tied up in a closet, he's not going to let anyone kill his "baby." GK took CEO in 04, but you don't think Herb had any input into the ATA codeshare decision in what, 06??
I'm out of this discussion because I'm repeating myself, but I don't think we'd make money doing those routes, so I'm glad we don't. We can always look into them after we've maximized our routes that we KNOW will make money. We ARE still making a profit following this business model...right? Growth will come in MSP and after the economy recovers a bit...65 hurt us (especially you and me FOs) worse (growth-wise) than some minor Mexico codeshare will..and we will make money off the codeshare.
Anyway, like I said, I'm repeating myself, so I am out...feel free to solve all the world's problems amonst yourselves...I do have an AMA next month, but still no LBB...have to work on that.
 
No worries bro but before you go annointing Gary as the Massiah I'd check your email from SWAPA. You're not going to like what you read.

And it's Captain Gup to you. I was hired a long time before I ever heard of Flight Info.

A VERY concerned Gup
 
Sorry for the unintentional demotion there Capt Gup...I read the SWAPA email, and I would love to see the language as well (don't want to see anyone else flying PHX-SMF).
Here's to tailwinds, MDW crews, and hoping that this relaxed FO is right, eh?
Fly safe...
 
BTW, did you see this?

And now I'm REALLY out...
waitin'

Delta’s Cincinnati Flight-Cut Plan: How do You Define Hub?

Posted by Matt Phillips
The Cincinnati Enquirer had a story this morning on Delta’s planned cuts at the region’s main airport. Here are the key chunks:
Delta Air Lines plans to cut 12 percent of its flying out of the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport in January, but says it is restructuring the hub here to make it more profitable and therefore sustainable though at least next year.
Glen Hauenstein, Delta’s executive vice president charged with meshing Delta’s network with that of its new merger acquisition Northwest Airlines, said in an interview that the airline is committed to keeping a hub here through at least 2009.
“We really wanted to keep the hub there because of its location, layout and the great facilities, but it took us awhile to figure out how to do it,” Hauenstein said. “So Delta is now reaffirming its commitment to the Cincinnati hub through the summer season of next year and then we’ll take another barometer reading on how the economy is doing.
“This is the foundation to build upon, and I think the biggest (profit) improvement in all of Delta next year is going to be Cincinnati.”
The new plan calls for ending service to only one city and trimming about 40 flights a day at CVG. The 263 flights remaining flights, however, will be bunched more closely together as the airline synchronizes its schedules among its other six hubs nationally.
Delta’s decision to trim the number of flights at Cincinnati will likely result in higher fares at the airport, which — as we’ve written about before — are some of the nation’s highest, on average. But beyond that, the move to cut capacity also sheds some light on how Delta’s merger with Northwest might affect established hub-and-spoke operations at the formerly separate carriers. Delta officials have said they won’t close hubs after the integration with Northwest. But as the Enquirer’s story makes clear, that doesn’t preclude Delta from making changes to its current network.
Also, it’s worth noting that “hub” is largely a term of art used by the carriers to describe their own operations. There isn’t really a hard-and-fast definition of “hub” based on the number of flights into or out of an airport, or other objective metrics.
Photo: Getty Images
 
Really we have what.... 40,000 employees, how many have posted on that blog 10-20 mind you all with no names. We want a pay raise, we want a bigger 401k match we want we want we want, How do you think they are going to fund all of our wants. Time and time again they have treated us well and time and time again we complain. I just spoke to a union rep yesterday who said the BOD is verry happy with the current scope and code share language that we have, so how about you take a deep breath and just RELAX.
:laugh:

Hey dude, get your nose out of managements but!
Although I bet with the taste of koolaid it makes it pretty good!:laugh:
 
TZ,
Sorry, guess I haven't had a LBB in awhile.
Hope you're not so tense in the airplane.
So you think with the economy in the tank, this is a great time to "start making money" on Mexico vacation routes...I don't. I think we'll make more, at less risk in MSP after Feb.
Chill...and many MDW crews for you...

Maybe TC is the SWA/FO?

Of course you don't make money on the Mexican vacation routes. You do however make money on the routes to the major business cities like MC, Guadalajara, Monterey, etc. The cargo alone to those places can be enough to pay for the flight sometimes. Are you really this clueless?
 

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