VirginAmerica salary scale?

[avgslin]

Gentleman, does anyone know the pay scale for the upcoming VirginAmerica?

Thanks.

 

[English]

There isn't one yet. But, expect it to be in line with other Virgin carriers - on the low end of industry average for LCCs.


That's just the rumor. If you want more legitimate info, try getting in touch with the Chief Pilot, an ex-USAirways assistant chief pilot.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

If you guys thought the EMB-190 pay is low, wait 'till you see what the A-320 guys/gals will be paid at VirginUSA!!!

 

[G4G5]

We know that the 190 rates are pathetic!

I don't know where this rumor that Vigin pay will stink comes from? If you take a look at the link below you will see that Virgin Atlantic pay is very competitive.

Current CA's top out at over $180K, FO top out at over $120K
Current 12 year AA 777 ca rates are approx $185K for an 80 hour month, try an find an 80 hour 777 line at AA, most are in the low 70's.

http://www.ppjn.com/jvirginatlantic.html

The pound : Dollar is approx, 2:1.

The basic Virgin Blue FO pay in AUS is $70K or approx $50K US, First year Jetblue A320 FO pay ($51 an hour, 85 hour month) is $56K. How do you think the cost of living in Austrailia compares to New York city?

So far Branson has been right in line with current market rates. No where near the pathetic 190 rates.

 

[tzskipper]

Does anyone have any contact information for Virgin America?


Thanks in advance,

Skipper

 

[Wiskey Driver]

I normally try to stay away from these types of discussions, but this one seems to be somewhat worth while. Everyone seems so caught up on the dollar per hour scheme. It would make sense if Virgin started out with a pay schedule like JB or SWA first contract. The pay is a little less than industry standard but you also get stock incentives as a new hire. I don't know about JB but the original SWA guys are sitting really pretty now because of the stock they got!!!!


Just my thought, BTW I would go to Virgin today if for nothing more than to fast track my career from my current position of A320/fo to A320 Capt in less than a yr!!

WD.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Current 12 year AA 777 ca rates are approx $185K for an 80 hour month,

You call $185/hour reasonable max pay for a 777 Capt? (shaking my head at the lowering of the industry bar....)

 

[G4G5]

You call $185/hour reasonable max pay for a 777 Capt? (shaking my head at the lowering of the industry bar....)

I could not a gree with you more!

My point by comparing Virgin to AA was to show that Branson is currently paying market rates, nothing close to the pathetic JetBlue 190 rates.

Believe me, I don't agree with the AA rates and I was one of the 31% who voted NO.

By the way, it was $193 an hour which equates to roughly $185k per year. Not $185 an hour. With an 11% B fund and a 1.25% A fund, total compensation is still well north of 200K

 

[furloughfodder]

If you guys thought the EMB-190 pay is low, wait 'till you see what the A-320 guys/gals will be paid at VirginUSA!!!

Typical Blue-Aid response.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Hey Whiskey Driver;


Once you go to Virgin America for the quick and easy upgrade,where will you "fast track" your career to next?

PHXFLYR

 

[Wiskey Driver]

PHXFLYR,

You really have to understand my motivation to get this. I don't make this career my primary source, it's far too unstable!!! I fly to have fun and get away from home for a few days. I have a business that I use as my primary source of income that way a furlough or low pay won't have the same effect on me as it would someone else. When I do fly my trips, this is one topic that I always seem to bring up and you would be amazed at how many pilots want some kind of business and even more amazed at how many do just what I do use this career is a place to have fun!!!!

WD.

 

[JohnDoe]

Anybody want the absolute perfect example of why wages are going down the crapper, have always been IN the crapper for regionals, and managements can get away with it?????

Here it is:

quote from whiskey driver:
"I don't make this career my primary source, it's far too unstable!!! I fly to have fun and get away from home for a few days. I have a business that I use as my primary source of income that way a furlough or low pay won't have the same effect on me as it would someone else. "


Like somebody else in this forum said......"Never do as a career what others do as a hobby." Whiskey just proved that in spades. He doesn't care about the salary, he just wants to "play" airline pilot, and have some fun.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

"Never do as a career what others do as a hobby."

Now there's a quote that wasn't very well thought out.

One man's hobby can easily be another's career and can be pretty much pointed out in any interesting profession.

A few of my hobbies;

-Brewing beer. It would be hard for us to have all the beer we enjoy were it not for all the brewmeisters of the world and they make a decent income.

-Cooking. No brainer. Everyone has to eat and professional chefs rake in the dough.

-Surfing. Even a slacker can make a buck or two surfing professionally if they are worth a crap at the sport. I'll stick to my day job.

-Sailing. Ya know what a USCG certified captain makes? A pretty penny in a lot of cases.

-Golf. Anyone with a tour card makes good coin. Any local professional at a golf course does okay as well.

Just the start of a long list... pick your hobby, there's probably someone out there making pretty good coin doing it.

 

[Flash 7]

"Like somebody else in this forum said......"Never do as a career what others do as a hobby." Whiskey just proved that in spades. He doesn't care about the salary, he just wants to "play" airline pilot."

I wouldn't say he doesn't care he has just planned for the worst.
And he's probably better off than you. Who's the smarter one?


My Flight Doc is a United 757 Capt. His United pay is a joke compared to his practice.

 

[JohnDoe]

So you both are ok with somebody agreeing to work for "crap" wages, and hence promoting managements ability to pay said crap wage, just so he can have some "fun??"

If you are, I guess have a nice day and enjoy those $21 an hour regional salaries, and remember where some of mangagemt's ability to pay them comes from.

And flash7, he obviously doesn't care about the wages.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

So you both are ok with somebody agreeing to work for "crap" wages, and hence promoting managements ability to pay said crap wage, just so he can have some "fun??"

If you are, I guess have a nice day and enjoy those $21 an hour regional salaries, and remember where some of mangagemt's ability to pay them comes from.

No, I'm not okay with declining wages. Not a very astute interpretation of my post.

Reading comprehension score: 0.

I'll spell it out for you. Your quote has no supporting basis. Many people make great coin off of full-time employment in fields that are hobbies for others. My brother is a recreation director and daily skis, hikes, bikes, kayaks,etc. He enjoys an excellent salary/benefits package because people SPEND money on their hobbies.

A stupid assertion and in no way related to why wages are falling. Dig?

 

[Dave Benjamin]

-Sailing. Ya know what a USCG certified captain makes? A pretty penny in a lot of cases.
.

Hugh,
I'm raising the BS flag on this one. I have several friends that have a master's license with a sailboat endorsement. Nobody is making much money with their license, especially in the more pleasant sailing venues. Now you can subsidize your boat costs and maybe even make a few extra dollars if you have your own charter operation and do all your own maintenance and aggressively market. I've been sailing off and on for over 35 years. I'd be working as a sailboat captain if I could come anywhere close to what I'm making now.

 

[JohnDoe]

"A stupid assertion and in no way related to why wages are falling. Dig?"


Sorry, you aren't interpreting any better, I guess you get a zero as well.

The basic premis of my post is valid. We have somebody here that is a good example of why mangagement is able to pay low regional wages. He ultimately doesn't care about those wages because this is only "play" time for him. It is not how he earns a living. If there were not people "playing" airline pilot to have fun, and filling a seat for management, maybe they would have to start to pay more for people who actually do care about the wages.

My quote is valid as it relates to this field, and this situation. You went off on the tangent with regards to other situations.

If those same people paying for your brother's services decided they wanted to have "fun" on the side and offered to do what he does for less money, just so they had the opportunity to do it, and it resulted in him having to accept that same lower pay, you would probably think different of that example.

 

[CSY Mon]

-Sailing. Ya know what a USCG certified captain makes? A pretty penny in a lot of cases.
.

Well, the payscale for yacht captains is roughly $1,000.00 per fot of boat lenght on an annual basis...But few if any yachts below 60 to 70 feet have full time captains on the payroll.

One can make up to $300.00 per day, plus expenses for moving boats, deliveries and such.
Some guys charge by the mile instead, but I forgot the formula.

I have a masters licence but not really making a pretty penny..
Yet anyway.
It keeps the bill collectors off the door while furloughed, but that is about it.

To make a decent living sailing boats, one needs to do it full-time, take new courses, upgrade the tickets, get more experience, meet new owners, net-work and so on....Perhaps like in the corporate aviation business...?

Had a couple of beers with the captain on the worlds largest private yacht.
300 + feet..The "Limitless", owner started the Vicoria's Secret chain...

Anyway, the captain quit the job and is now making a good living being a yacht broker of mega and super yachts.....(Mega yacht= over 80 feet, Super Yacht = over 150 feet.)

He makes a pretty penny doing that..

 

[JohnDoe]

Hugh,

I'll take it one step further and use your own cooking example.

Lets say I enjoy cooking. I have done it enough that I am getting pretty good at it, and enjoy it so much I decide I want to do it more than I can at home.

I decide to go down to the local "fancy-schmancy" 5 star restaurant and tell the owner that I would like to be a chef for him. He responds that he can't afford another chef at the salary that they command, but if I was willing to do it for half that, he would hire me.

I agree to do so, because I have another job that will pay my bills. I end up doing just as good a job as the professional chef. What do you think is going to happen to the professional chef's salary?? It is going to go down, because management now has a source of cheaper labor. Somebody that is doing it for "fun."

Same situation as the flying.