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I for one am very happy for VA...Funny how a new upstart can out do all the crappy old airlines from years past. But, it can not be hard to give better service than UA, AA, DL...etc...all you need to do is smile. Then you WIN! The legacy companies could learn something about customer service from VA. Congrats to the guys and gals there! Well done!
Oh, and VA did lose the battle to keep the data from the DOT. Be interesting to see what the financials are.
Oh, and VA did lose the battle to keep the data from the DOT. Be interesting to see what the financials are.
Peachy or not, why the need to bash another airline?
In addition, before you lob the "pay sucks' bomb, along with the "I can't believe anyone would work for it...", keep in mind that the only choices for those employees whose previous carrier (ALPA represented for the Aloha and ATA guys and gals) shut down is Asia, VA or small freight. There is not a legacy job in sight.
VA will make it or not, and that is our fortune (or not). As a twenty airplane operation, I doubt it truly impacts you. So, just as a suggestion, how about you try and manage your own group's issues and not spend the effort to make what has already been a tough road for most, even tougher.
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Skipper i just stated fact I do not have an opinion either way.. As long as Branson can creatively finance his operation you guys are in good shape.
I was on a trans con flight with 25 people after a pairing with a dh that ended in sfo. It was scary to sit an an airbus for 5 hours with 25 pax knowing that you guys were burning about 35000 lbs of fuel to get there...
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Hmmmm. Race ya!
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Skipper,
Unfortunately, it does impact us. Like it or not all pilots are in this together. When ATA or ALOHA, etc. fails, it hurts everyone. A bad contract/or lack thereof effects everyone as well.
For example, the Alaska guys are in some tough negotiations with their management right now. They have a good product....better than most. Right now, they are having statements thrown at them like, "We can't afford to pay you more because you are so much more expensive than VA, etc." Of course that is just an excuse, but I know most of us, if we are really honest with ourselves, would not appreciate it. It is a typical managment divide and conquer statement.
On the other hand, I think if you guys were a union carrier and could say, "Hey look, we are new, but in our first contract we are going to get rid of some of these problem issues." Most people would not have a problem with it.
You can never judge a pilot group by one guy, but the one I know at VA says you don't need a union. They don't need to change the upgrade or pay policies. Basically, he got his and it's tough for everyone else. Including your own.
Contrast that to the Jetblue guy I ran into the other day. Senior Captain said that they need a union and increased pay for all. The other Jetblue guys I know also concur. Good on them and I agree.
I doubt that is how you all feel, but one less than nice guy at a small airline makes up a larger percentage than one guy at a 1500 or 5000 pilot operation. If you all do feel that things are fine the way they are, then I have a serious problem with your pilot group. I work hard to make my place better and I would hope that you would do the same.
Good luck,
P-Dude
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You first.
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Pogue Mahone
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Great. How are you doing? Did you get a slot in Florida yet??
The commute is a bit easier but of course I have to compete with "the Deuce" for jumpseats. LOL.
Tell some of these guys to be nice, it wasn't that long ago that Blue was the new kid in town. Pilots are pilots I guess and love to predict everyone else's demise. Hasn't changed in decades.
Drop me your number PM and maybe I can catch you up in JFK sometime on an overnight.
If you see the boys, tell everyone I said hello.
Pogue
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New Business Plan: Smile your way to the Top!
Yep. Just a short time before they're taken to the landfill and tossed on top of the still-warm Skybus corpse.
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Yes and may you receive ten times that which you wish on others!
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Just workin' with the facts, ma'am.
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Well may that fact be on your house first!Ahole.
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