Virgin America Wins Best Domestic Airline from Travel + Leisure

[mvedepo]

...please go away ...THANK YOU!

Hmmmm. Race ya!

 

[PinnacleDude]

VA will make it or not, and that is our fortune (or not). As a twenty airplane operation, I doubt it truly impacts you. So, just as a suggestion, how about you try and manage your own group's issues and not spend the effort to make what has already been a tough road for most, even tougher.

Skipper

Skipper,

Unfortunately, it does impact us. Like it or not all pilots are in this together. When ATA or ALOHA, etc. fails, it hurts everyone. A bad contract/or lack thereof effects everyone as well.

For example, the Alaska guys are in some tough negotiations with their management right now. They have a good product....better than most. Right now, they are having statements thrown at them like, "We can't afford to pay you more because you are so much more expensive than VA, etc." Of course that is just an excuse, but I know most of us, if we are really honest with ourselves, would not appreciate it. It is a typical managment divide and conquer statement.

On the other hand, I think if you guys were a union carrier and could say, "Hey look, we are new, but in our first contract we are going to get rid of some of these problem issues." Most people would not have a problem with it.

You can never judge a pilot group by one guy, but the one I know at VA says you don't need a union. They don't need to change the upgrade or pay policies. Basically, he got his and it's tough for everyone else. Including your own.

Contrast that to the Jetblue guy I ran into the other day. Senior Captain said that they need a union and increased pay for all. The other Jetblue guys I know also concur. Good on them and I agree.

I doubt that is how you all feel, but one less than nice guy at a small airline makes up a larger percentage than one guy at a 1500 or 5000 pilot operation. If you all do feel that things are fine the way they are, then I have a serious problem with your pilot group. I work hard to make my place better and I would hope that you would do the same.

Good luck,
P-Dude

 

[spinproof]

Bottom line...no union, ********************ty wages, trying to undercut everyone else...please go away ...THANK YOU!

You first.

 

[mozzer]

Anyone else see the irony of watching jetBlue folks bashing Virgin America.

You should know, you worked for both.

How's things?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You should know, you worked for both.

How's things?

Great. How are you doing? Did you get a slot in Florida yet??

The commute is a bit easier but of course I have to compete with "the Deuce" for jumpseats. LOL.

Tell some of these guys to be nice, it wasn't that long ago that Blue was the new kid in town. Pilots are pilots I guess and love to predict everyone else's demise. Hasn't changed in decades.

Drop me your number PM and maybe I can catch you up in JFK sometime on an overnight.

If you see the boys, tell everyone I said hello.

Pogue

 

[CopilotDoug]

I for one am very happy for VA...Funny how a new upstart can out do all the crappy old airlines from years past. But, it can not be hard to give better service than UA, AA, DL...etc...all you need to do is smile. Then you WIN! The legacy companies could learn something about customer service from VA. Congrats to the guys and gals there! Well done!

Oh, and VA did lose the battle to keep the data from the DOT. Be interesting to see what the financials are.

New Business Plan: Smile your way to the Top!

Yep. Just a short time before they're taken to the landfill and tossed on top of the still-warm Skybus corpse.

 

[spinproof]

New Business Plan: Smile your way to the Top!

Yep. Just a short time before they're taken to the landfill and tossed on top of the still-warm Skybus corpse.

Yes and may you receive ten times that which you wish on others!

 

[spinproof]

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[CopilotDoug]

Yes and may you receive ten times that which you wish on others!

Just workin' with the facts, ma'am.

 

[spinproof]

Just workin' with the facts, ma'am.

Well may that fact be on your house first!Ahole.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Well may you soon not be working A-hole!

You tell me why VA is going to survive. They're bringing nothing new to the table. They have a very junior pay-roll and they're just another low-cost hack using the backs of the employees to stay afloat.

 

[WateryGrave]

Well may that fact be on your house first!Ahole.

Spin I'm curious, is your support for VX simply based on emotion because you work there and rely on the paychecks, or do you truly believe in the business plan and the product layed out by management. Obviously overall the products is decent, the awards prove that, but do you truly believe in the plan in the face of $150 oil? Other than WN, I don't see how anyone can be assured of their own survival in the current climate. Or option #3, do you think the pockets are deep enough that you will simply be around long enough for a few of your competitors to crumble leaving you guys alone on some routes to raise prices?

 

[spinproof]

Spin I'm curious, is your support for VX simply based on emotion because you work there and rely on the paychecks, or do you truly believe in the business plan and the product layed out by management. Obviously overall the products is decent, the awards prove that, but do you truly believe in the plan in the face of $150 oil? Other than WN, I don't see how anyone can be assured of their own survival in the current climate. Or option #3, do you think the pockets are deep enough that you will simply be around long enough for a few of your competitors to crumble leaving you guys alone on some routes to raise prices?

Exactly. No one can be assured of their survival. I like our chances and take them gladly. If that galls you,and people like you, so be it! Our business plan is working but it will need investor help. The investors see progress even in trying times but how long that can go on I don't have the answer.

The bottom line is that to revel in anyones demise for any reason may reward you with a similar fate. So flame away but do so knowing it may be at your own peril.

 

[spinproof]

You tell me why VA is going to survive. They're bringing nothing new to the table. They have a very junior pay-roll and they're just another low-cost hack using the backs of the employees to stay afloat.

Nothing new to the table? We bring everything new to the table you cretin.

 

[WateryGrave]

Exactly. No one can be assured of their survival. I like our chances and take them gladly. If that galls you,and people like you, so be it! Our business plan is working but it will need investor help. The investors see progress even in trying times but how long that can go on I don't have the answer.

The bottom line is that to revel in anyones demise for any reason may reward you with a similar fate. So flame away but do so knowing it may be at your own peril.

Your business plan is working out but you need more investor help. In other words, you are losing money hand over fist and need more money just to stay in business? How is that a business plan? At any point in this whole venture is the plan to actually start making money?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Nothing new to the table? We bring everything new to the table you cretin.

I don't think anyone here is, as you perceive, "reveling" in the potential demise of VA.

History has shown, paying your employees less than than the competition is no substitue for talent: A la Skybus. And the customers have no loyalty to any one carrier...even if you do have XM this or Wireless that.

My prediction stands: VA is not in the right position to weather this Sh*tstorm. Sorry brother.

 

[spinproof]

Your business plan is working out but you need more investor help. In other words, you are losing money hand over fist and need more money just to stay in business? How is that a business plan? At any point in this whole venture is the plan to actually start making money?

No actually our plan is to lose all the money there is in the known world that way you won't have any! Then we will be the only one left and of course a ticket from SFO to JFK will cost $100,000...thats one way! I believe we will be able to survive $150-200 oil at that time.
stop laughing..I really mean it...its all a plot to take your job!

 

[CopilotDoug]

How is that a business plan? At any point in this whole venture is the plan to actually start making money?

The Common Business practice of "Fake it til You Make It"

 

[spinproof]

I don't think anyone here is, as you perceive, "reveling" in the potential demise of VA.

History has shown, paying your employees less than than the competition is no substitue for talent: A la Skybus. And the customers have no loyalty to any one carrier...even if you do have XM this or Wireless that.

My prediction stands: VA is not in the right position to weather this Sh*tstorm. Sorry brother.

Really!!! You really are pathetic..I believe you said "Yep. Just a short time before they're taken to the landfill and tossed on top of the still-warm Skybus corpse".
So here's hoping your corpse is first!


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[WateryGrave]

If you can't win the argument, just start namecalling. The true FI way....