virgin america pay

[saltyswede]

what are the va pay

 

[Lear70]

No one knows.

The website claims pay "on par with other startup LCC's" which probably means USA 3000 / jetBlue pay rates which you can get on www.airlinepilotpay.com

They're going to have a tough road unless the leadership has actually LEARNED from their mistakes and LEARNED from the success of SWA and jetBlue. Additionally, if they can figure out a way to link their LCC domestic feed with Virgin's international route structure, they'll be just fine.

Two big IF's and a relatively big gamble unless you're already unemployed and have nothing better going anyway.

That's

 

[Lear70]

btw, that's some pretty heavy time you've got there for 5,500 hours: B747, DC-10, AND A-320. Can't think of any carriers that ever operated all 3 except Northwest and if you're furloughed you wouldn't have been senior enough to hold the 747...?

Just curious where you got all your time.

 

[Always deferred]

He could have been at UAL. hired as FE on DC10, B747 FO (relief), downgrade to A320 FO.

Or in the training dept.

 

[Networ-King]

No one knows.

The website claims pay "on par with other startup LCC's" which probably means USA 3000 / jetBlue pay rates which you can get on www.airlinepilotpay.com

They're going to have a tough road unless the leadership has actually LEARNED from their mistakes and LEARNED from the success of SWA and jetBlue. Additionally, if they can figure out a way to link their LCC domestic feed with Virgin's international route structure, they'll be just fine.

Two big IF's and a relatively big gamble unless you're already unemployed and have nothing better going anyway.

That's

IMHO... I think this is why Virgin America is doomed from the beginning. You can't teach someone to be like Herb or Neelman. You can't learn to be like them either, it's like trying to learn common sense, or teach someone to have common sense...............can't be done. It'll be another USA 3000 at best. Another job till something better comes along. Carty and Fred "RJ" Reid already have a reputation of being the typical airline backstabbing management. Im sure the virgin employment line will still be out the door, around the coner and down the street. Time will tell........


I think the ONLY thing they have learned is that pilots will work for less and less money.

 

[puddlejumper101]

I would not expect much when Freed Greed and Carty are running the show...Might be similar to Jetblue but the morale and relationship between management and its workers won't be something to shout about with Greed and Carty running the show. Last I checked both Delta and AA were not employee friendly when those guys were at their respective last jobs. Jetblue might not pay all that well but at least they treat their people really well.

 

[shon7]

Virgin America will have no trouble in hiring pilots and whatever payscale they propose.

 

[CaptainMark]

Boycott this fool...now we will have foreign airlines lowballing our LCCs..it will only get worse..and watch he will try to get euro pilots to fly their jets over 60....

 

[pilotyip]

yea look at how backward VA managment is, they will not count helo time in total flight time.

 

[RJ Bum]

yea look at how backward VA managment is, they will not count helo time in total flight time.

Probably has something to do with their insurance requirements as a start up.

 

[Boeingman]

Who would work there with Carty running it anyway?

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

CAArty is a genius.

What other visionary would have known to acquire such spectacular jewels like Reno and TWA to add to their airline.

Suckering the employees into massive concessions, and then lavishing himself and other execs at the top with massive bonuses before the ink is dry on the concession papers.

Don Carty......I LOVE YOU MAN!

Virgin will be going places.

 

[pilotyip]

RJ, insurance companies can be trained ours thought the same thing 6 years ago. We now hire helo guys with a min of 100 MEL only right into the DA-20 F/O seat, and our insurance blesses them.

 

[RJ Bum]

I understand, but I don't think VA will pay higher rates to do this. I'm sure in the not to distant future this all will be changed. Who know's the website just went up the other day with the mins. it may have been just an oversight. Call them to see what they say if you are interested.

 

[AbOvo]

In another thread someone had found a filing with the state of California where VA's pay rates ranged from $42 to $126. Do a search on here for it and you'll see more details. It really depends on their work rules because those rates sound lower than JetBlue's.

As someone else brought up it also depends on how management wants to treat their employees.

 

[RJ Bum]

Found this on a prvious post for whatever it's worth. (pg. 4)

http://www.etp.ca.gov/packet/VirginAmerica130rev.pdfhttp://http://www.etp.ca.gov/packet/VirginAmerica130rev.pdf

 

[ableone]

That link was interesting.

VA is going to need a jumpseat agreement right outside of the box. No one, who does not already live there, is going to be able to afford to live in San Francisco on a "competitive lcc pilot wage". If I were to seek employment at VA I would need the ability to commute almost from the beginning and I would be willing to wager that would be true for most people.

 

[Lampshade]

http://www.etp.ca.gov/packet/VirginAmerica130rev.pdf The state of Ca. paying for training!!! Fo's $41.00 Ca's $126.00

 

[WhiteCloud]

yea look at how backward VA managment is, they will not count helo time in total flight time.

OK I'll bite.....do helo operators count fixed wing time when they decide who they are going to hire?

 

[pilotyip]

Can not answer that I don't know of any compaies that hire only helo guys, but I would interested in seeing the answer.

 

[Cardinal]

Jeezum, they want 5000 hours, 1000 Turbine PIC. In theory all their new hires will be captains in rapid order, but those are the most demanding stated mins that I can think of anywhere in the airline industry.

 

[Sam Snead]

Jeezum, they want 5000 hours, 1000 Turbine PIC. In theory all their new hires will be captains in rapid order, but those are the most demanding stated mins that I can think of anywhere in the airline industry.

Perhaps, but (unfortunately) there have to be lots of pilots on the market with that experience level, given the thousands of pilots furloughed from Legacies.

 

[Old School 737]

I just looked at the VA web site and they are saying the A320 "The worlds most popular aircraft" ? Last I checked the B-737 had, I don't know possibly a few thousand more in service than the A320. What ever!!!! Good luck to them they will need it in this industry!

 

[Lear70]

Perhaps, but (unfortunately) there have to be lots of pilots on the market with that experience level, given the thousands of pilots furloughed from Legacies.

According to AIR, Inc, over 7,000 pilots furloughed from majors, 2,000 pilots furloughed from places like Indy and ATA, plus about 10,000 regional pilots who would like to get out of the regionals, even if it's only a $20 an hour increase from CRJ rates.

All of those people meet the mins.

Sam is right, welcome to supply and demand.

 

[HalinTexas]

You would be surprised at how many pilots don't meet those mins.

However, I don't think VA will have a problem filling slots with those mins. I bet there's quite a few HP pilots at the bottom of the list, current on the A320, they think they're going to get hosed in the merger that might jump ship.