Virgin America online test

[Rekks Inbound]

I did the pre-visor, then got the questionaire email about 2 weeks later. Haven't heard anything now for a few weeks. Any ideas on what the timeline is on possible callbacks?

Peace.

Rekks

 

[xjhawk]

Flyer, every airline gets those people who cannot leave the past behind them even when they are suppose to be learning something new. I hated in every one of my new aircraft/seat classes at mesaba the idiots who kept saying....that is not how we did it in the Saab/Dash/this or that airline. They were only stroking their own egos and disrupting the class and learning. I will say the same thing about the Mesaba guys who when we started changing over to the pinnacle way of doing things.....they would complain about how it was not the right way to do things-well, they are now paying you to fly this new way, learn it or do something productive in the future about making it safer-stop complaining now. That being said, I have been in class with multiple 400 hour new hires and multiple old Avro guys with a lot of hours and a lot of gray hair. Experience matters-and it showed in training and on the line. Yes the 400 hour pilots had a learning curve (some shorter/longer than others) but they had to learn on the line-and if you had experience, you would know that in such cases-safety is a concern then-hense the higher hiring minimums. Simple as that. If you skirted under the hiring mins, then there were other reasons-well connected? a quota to fill? lucky? who knows. Just do not place yourself above those that did not get that chance just because you got lucky. There are tons of great pilots out there applying and I do not know why they have not been called. I will not group myself in that category as I always keep an eye on my own cocky/ego level so here I go...I know guys with 7-10,000 hours total, a few grand of PIC, line check airmen, 737 type, and multiple letters of recommendations and not only is SWA not calling, but neither is anyone else.....

I will say congrats again...by the way

 

[xjhawk]

decided not to post a copy from the Virgins career site.......you figure it out

 

[Flyer1015]

decided not to post a copy from the Virgins career site.......you figure it out

Under their career section, it asks "Are you Virgin enough for Virgin America?" You, sir, are not only married, but also have kids! You are definitely not Virgin enough!

 

[Flyer1015]

Flyer, every airline gets those people who cannot leave the past behind them even when they are suppose to be learning something new. I hated in every one of my new aircraft/seat classes at mesaba the idiots who kept saying....that is not how we did it in the Saab/Dash/this or that airline. They were only stroking their own egos and disrupting the class and learning. I will say the same thing about the Mesaba guys who when we started changing over to the pinnacle way of doing things.....they would complain about how it was not the right way to do things-well, they are now paying you to fly this new way, learn it or do something productive in the future about making it safer-stop complaining now.

Agree with the above!

That being said, I have been in class with multiple 400 hour new hires and multiple old Avro guys with a lot of hours and a lot of gray hair. Experience matters-and it showed in training and on the line. Yes the 400 hour pilots had a learning curve (some shorter/longer than others) but they had to learn on the line-and if you had experience, you would know that in such cases-safety is a concern then-hense the higher hiring minimums. Simple as that. If you skirted under the hiring mins, then there were other reasons-well connected? a quota to fill? lucky? who knows. Just do not place yourself above those that did not get that chance just because you got lucky. There are tons of great pilots out there applying and I do not know why they have not been called. I will not group myself in that category as I always keep an eye on my own cocky/ego level so here I go...I know guys with 7-10,000 hours total, a few grand of PIC, line check airmen, 737 type, and multiple letters of recommendations and not only is SWA not calling, but neither is anyone else.....

I will say congrats again...by the way

I agree too, and I don't know exactly how their internal process works. All I know is that one has to pass the pre-visor and then they get an email questionnaire. I don't know what the score cut off is, and they never disclose scores. No one is skirting under the hiring mins right now. They are published as ATP, 4000TT, and 1000TPIC preferred but not required. I agree that this is a tough environment for jobs. I don't know the reasons as to why some do get called while others equally qualified do not. But I will say this. If you try hard and keep trying, then you deserve to be called. I'm not saying you're in this category, but I can't even begin to count how many CAs I've flown with who have never updated their logbooks and aren't really applying, because they are fat/dumb/happy with where they are. Once things go south, then they enter panic mode.

I spent countless hours applying to various places. Entire evenings sacrificed away from the wife, secluded in job search. You name it, I applied it. Aloha Air Cargo, Allegiant, VA, Spirit, Hawaiian, JetBlue, US Airways, Corning Glass, Parker Hannifin, Emirates, Qatar, flyDubai, Boeing, Bombardier, Koch, several private FBO for DECs, Prudential, URS, an Ohio Energy company, etc etc etc. All of these require time, and some upwards of 2 hrs just getting all the information they require. I'm not in the luxurious boat of "holding out" for only SWA or Fedex. There are plenty of those guys too, holding out, and then complain they aren't getting called. If only they would expand their horizons, more opportunities could come available.

I think perseverence should pay off. Work hard enough, apply to enough places, and eventually, the phone will ring. That's my theory, and it seemed to work.

 

[BHopper88]

Am I reading the app wrong? Looks like 1000 TPIC is still required under "recent experience"

 

[bri5150]

It is. So Flyer got hired there without 1k PIC? It isn't "preferred" because there are other things on the exact same list that say "preferred" next to them.

 

[pilotyip]

I actually think it's a good test. It's an industry-standard typical pilot computerized test. It's not stupid crap, it's a good way to eliminate candidates who are not serious about the job or those who haven't bothered to prepare. If you want the job, you'll make sure you prepare for it. The questions are tough, but a sharp pilot with a college degree who has taken college-level math should be able to do these kinds of questions. Those who are used to things being handed to them on a silver plate will find this test very diffcult.

Ditto, the military has been very successful using screening tests to identify candidates for pilot training. We find when we hire a pilot who has been through this process of military selection, has a much better change of completing training as opposed to a pilot who has not been through a screening process.

 

[Flyer1015]

The website needs to be updated. The mins have changed recently, and the new mins are 4000 total and an ATP. The turbine PIC is preferred, not required. My understanding is a pilot candidate can still be considered between 0 to 999 TPIC. If you're interested, apply, and you will get a link for the pre-visor test. Good luck!

 

[rtmcfi]

Flyer, are you saying that more than 1000 would disqualify you?

 

[bri5150]

Flyer, are you saying that more than 1000 would disqualify you?

This seems to be the way of things these days. At best it has no value, at worst, they don't want to hire you because they think you will bolt once the legacies start hiring. It's kind of like having a 737 type at this point. It's a bit frustrating that when I was an FO everyone wanted 1k turbine PIC, now the above situation is happening and I have the 1k PIC. Oh well. Keep plugging away and updating resumes. Something will pop up no doubt.

 

[Flyer1015]

Flyer, are you saying that more than 1000 would disqualify you?

No, absolutely not true. Because keep in mind only until recently did the mins change. Before it was 5000TT and 1000TPIC as a minimum. That eliminated any FOs by default.

This seems to be the way of things these days. At best it has no value, at worst, they don't want to hire you because they think you will bolt once the legacies start hiring. It's kind of like having a 737 type at this point. It's a bit frustrating that when I was an FO everyone wanted 1k turbine PIC, now the above situation is happening and I have the 1k PIC. Oh well. Keep plugging away and updating resumes. Something will pop up no doubt.

Sadly, I believe this is true at places like Spirit, JetBlue, VA, Allegiant, etc.

They think (and probably rightly so) that you will bail to a legacy once the economy gets better. Most pilots I know don't speak of those majors as career destinations. I heard that JetBlue had somewhere around 100 PRIA requests from Fedex alone! From a hiring standpiont, it would make more sense to hire a candidate with 0-999 hrs TPIC, because then you know this individual isn't qualified for SWA or Fedex.

 

[cbrown1]

What are the chances of getting a call after you've been given the pilot questioner?

 

[Flyer1015]

What are the chances of getting a call after you've been given the pilot questioner?

If you get that pilot questionnaire email, then you should get an interview email as well once you send it back.

 

[cbrown1]

They said the Chief Pilot has to review it.