View the October 25, 2007 letter from the ASA MEC to all SkyWest Pilots

[John Pennekamp]

really? tell that to these guys. Sounds like their QOL and work environment isn't so great. Also sounds like having ALPA around doesn't prevent these things from happening.

'We, the pilots of Air Wisconsin, are deeply concerned about the direction of our company. While we were once the premier regional airline to fly for, that is no longer the case. The ALPA MEC has initiated a strategic campaign known as “Do I Have a Future Here” to put a spot light on our concerns. Recent developments, such as the rigid enforcement of an Attendance Policy that disciplines pilots who call in sick when they are actually sick, unilateral policy changes that have cost our pilots substantial amounts of pay, an exceedingly high grievance case load, and repeatedly denied requests for scheduling accommodations that would greatly enhance our quality of life have provided the impetus for this strategic campaign.
We want what every professional pilot deserves: a good place to work. In recent years Air Wisconsin has gone from arguably the best regional airline to work for, to one of the worst.'



http://www.doihaveafuturehere.org/

Skynation, when you quote things out of context, and paste them without discussion, it demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of the issues on your part, and further undermines your credibility.

Nothing is perfect, especially ALPA. You will always find a pilot group upset about something. But if you actually ask the pilots if they'd rather be nonunion or fight the issues they're fighting, they'll say they want union.

 

[PCL_128]

If this one fails, there won't be another one... at least not from ALPA.

I wouldn't say that. It will probably be a very long time before ALPA tries again, though. If the SkyWest pilots aren't smart enough this time to vote YES, then I hope you're prepared for many years of no representation, especially with an economic downturn about to hit.

 

[Gobi Gred]

I would guess ALPA would wait another 3 to 5 years before trying again and then I'm sure they would want to see a very strong return on the cards. They might try again sooner if the vote is really close. I'm sure during the 3 to 5 year wait there would be some type of in house attempt or maybe teamsters. There has been some type of union activity the whole time I've been at SkyWest. That's what is so dumb about voting it down. Guys who don't want it think this is the last drive they'll have to endure. It won't be.

 

[doh]

Sky, I'm disappointed. Just duck and cover? No spin?:laugh:

 

[John Pennekamp]

I would guess ALPA would wait another 3 to 5 years before trying again and then I'm sure they would want to see a very strong return on the cards. They might try again sooner if the vote is really close. I'm sure during the 3 to 5 year wait there would be some type of in house attempt or maybe teamsters. There has been some type of union activity the whole time I've been at SkyWest. That's what is so dumb about voting it down. Guys who don't want it think this is the last drive they'll have to endure. It won't be.

Meanwhile, Jerry will know he has 3-5 years before he has to worry about being JUST NICE ENOUGH to keep the union away.

It's very simple, if you vote no, grab your ankles. BOHICA.

 

[PCL_128]

Meanwhile, Jerry will know he has 3-5 years before he has to worry about being JUST NICE ENOUGH to keep the union away.

It's very simple, if you vote no, grab your ankles. BOHICA.

Exactly. Jerry and friends are following the Ford & Harrison playbook to the hilt. As soon as you vote down representation, Jerry knows that he has a free for all for a long time to come. Don't allow yourselves to be slaves to Jerry's whims. Take some control of your own career. Have a voice at the table. Vote YES!

 

[BoilerUP]

Anybody who tries to use the "Do I Have A Future Here?" campaign as a sign of ALPA's flaws doesn't 1. have an understanding about what ALPA really does, 2. fails to realize informational campaigns pointing out the downside of employment puts pressure on management and hurts recruiting, 3. is a flamebaiting moran, or 4. all the above.

SkyNation, I respect your opinions and don't believe you are as ignorant about the process and power of collective bargaining as you repeatedly make yourself out to be. How long did you work at AWAC before leaving for Skywest, and what happened here to color your opinions?

 

[Nevets]

I would guess ALPA would wait another 3 to 5 years before trying again and then I'm sure they would want to see a very strong return on the cards. They might try again sooner if the vote is really close. I'm sure during the 3 to 5 year wait there would be some type of in house attempt or maybe teamsters. There has been some type of union activity the whole time I've been at SkyWest. That's what is so dumb about voting it down. Guys who don't want it think this is the last drive they'll have to endure. It won't be.

After November 6, ALPA will move onto JetBlue, AirTran, Virgin America, Skybus, etc (in no particular oder) before they think about coming back to Skywest.

 

[twott driver]

Anybody who tries to use the "Do I Have A Future Here?" campaign as a sign of ALPA's flaws doesn't 1. have an understanding about what ALPA really does, 2. fails to realize informational campaigns pointing out the downside of employment puts pressure on management and hurts recruiting, 3. is a flamebaiting moran, or 4. all the above.

Who would have believed it, but this seems to be fairly common..........................

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moran&defid=1303800http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/000472.html

 

[SkyNation]

SkyNation, I respect your opinions and don't believe you are as ignorant about the process and power of collective bargaining as you repeatedly make yourself out to be. How long did you work at AWAC before leaving for Skywest, and what happened here to color your opinions?

I worked there long enough to know that having ALPA doesn't necessarily prevent the deterioration of QOL that you and your fellow pilots are currently experiencing. folks here need to know that, since that is one the OCs main selling points.

No, I'm not a 'moran.' Anymore I make posts that mirror and mock the falsehoods that some folks here attribute to ALPA. these forums used to be a place where there were more thoughtful and worthwhile discussions. now I just come here mostly for entertainment (like passing by that yard that has that spastic little yappy dog that freaks out and barks uncontrollably at you when you stop in front of it, a la Jmoney), and to remind myself of the attitude that I don't want formalized at our airline.

 

[Hawkeyeguy]

Please all of you out there, take a minute and call the Skywest pilots you know and encourage them to vote.

Thank you for your support!

 

[rumrnr78]

Vote all you want, but a regional will never be a career. Get what you can but move on!!
Fly safe-rum

 

[Nevets]

I worked there long enough to know that having ALPA doesn't necessarily prevent the deterioration of QOL that you and your fellow pilots are currently experiencing. folks here need to know that, since that is one the OCs main selling points.

No, I'm not a 'moran.' Anymore I make posts that mirror and mock the falsehoods that some folks here attribute to ALPA. these forums used to be a place where there were more thoughtful and worthwhile discussions. now I just come here mostly for entertainment (like passing by that yard that has that spastic little yappy dog that freaks out and barks uncontrollably at you when you stop in front of it, a la Jmoney), and to remind myself of the attitude that I don't want formalized at our airline.

I bet it would have been MUCH worse if ALPA wasn't there. Let me put it this way, what could you do about the deterioration of your QOL if Ornstein was CEO of Skywest?

By the way, point to ONE falsehood that I have "attributed to ALPA?"

 

[Nevets]

Vote all you want, but a regional will never be a career. Get what you can but move on!!
Fly safe-rum

That's a nice sentiment. What about the people who would like to make Skywest a career?

And in any case, why not make the place you work for 3 years a better place to work while you are there?

 

[SkyNation]

I bet it would have been MUCH worse if ALPA wasn't there. Let me put it this way, what could you do about the deterioration of your QOL if Ornstein was CEO of Skywest?

By the way, point to ONE falsehood that I have "attributed to ALPA?"

I didn't mean you.

fear tactics are the worst way to sell this. The fear angle of 'what if' is not playing well, and if you're helping the OC, I'd mention that constantly going to the fear card is hurting you guys.