Vfr Mel

[Medicryan]

This is a stupid question and should probably know this, but can anyone provide me the acronym and names of equipment required for VFR flight. I am taking my commercial checkride next week and I can not remember for the life of me.

Thanks,

Ryan

 

[minitour]

Day:
A TOMATO FLAMES (or "TOMATO FLAMES - A?" if you're Canadian)

Night:
FLAPS

 

[av8rbama]

get that yellow (or is the commercial orange?) asa oral exam guide.

 

[drinkduff77]

We used CAAAFFOOTMEGS for day, FLAPS for night

-'duff

ps. I hope if the examiner asks what an MEL is, you don't spout off this list as your thread title implies.

 

[midlifeflyer]

The only thing stupid is the acronym itself. The only thing stupider are DPEs who test the acronym instead of airworthiness.

So, based on the airplane you are taking for the checkride, is it airworthy for VFR flight if the stall warning is inoperative?

(It think this is one of the few boards I never asked my "stupid acronym" survey question in)

 

[RichardRambone]

The only thing stupid is the acronym itself. The only thing stupider are DPEs who test the acronym instead of airworthiness.

So, based on the airplane you are taking for the checkride, is it airworthy for VFR flight if the stall warning is inoperative?

(It think this is one of the few boards I never asked my "stupid acronym" survey question in)

Well, is it?

 

[atldc9]

I am going to open my big mouth and say it depends. On the Cessna 172S, which I get to scare myself in every month or so, the Pneumatic Stall Warning system is listed in the AFM as being Required by cretification. So in the Cessna 172S, you would not be airworthy if it was inop. That may not be the case with other airplane models.

Fire away.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Like the Cargo Net in a 172RG!

 

[RichardRambone]

I am going to open my big mouth and say it depends. On the Cessna 172S, which I get to scare myself in every month or so, the Pneumatic Stall Warning system is listed in the AFM as being Required by cretification. So in the Cessna 172S, you would not be airworthy if it was inop. That may not be the case with other airplane models.

Fire away.

See I asked b/c I am going for a checkride soon and I too looked it up and it is required. The stall warning wasnt working when I did stalls the other day. Its a 172S but the airplane is free so now Im in a pickle b/c it wont get fixed unless its on my dime Im sure. Screw that, Ill say it was working fine the day before.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I am going to open my big mouth and say it depends. On the Cessna 172S, which I get to scare myself in every month or so, the Pneumatic Stall Warning system is listed in the AFM as being Required by cretification. So in the Cessna 172S, you would not be airworthy if it was inop. That may not be the case with other airplane models.

Fire away.

We have a winner.

I never posted the question on this board because I felt that there were more professionally-oriented pilots who understood 91.213 and the analysis that's required to determine whether a particular item is required or not.

More typically, I've gotten a lot of answers like, "it's not part of TOMATO FLAMES" so it's okay. Not the fault of the pilots. I think that the emphasis on memorizing the acronym has a tendency to elevate it's importance to the point that a lot of pilots think that's all there is. In fact, the informal survey result is that a pilot who learned one of the acronyms for 91.205 was more likely to get an airworthiness question wrong than one who never heard of it. (The scary part is the CFIs who've gotten it wrong)

(Short version of long soapbox diatribe)