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I've never worked a tanker base where I did call for a clearance during a fire dispatch. I always go straight to ground, and simply advise them XXX Ground, Tanker XXX, Fire Dispatch, Westbound.

I don't stop rolling; I go straight to the nearest appropriate runway; it's always given me, and I depart with priority. I don't recall ever having been given an exception, unless a slight delay for landing traffic. I try to temper that request if there's known traffic inbound, but in almost every case ATC will send IFR traffic around before they'll delay me.

As far as using CD, if you're in a location where it's available, and you're unfamiliar, there is no good reason not to use it. The purpose of clearance delivery is to ensure smooth control operations. That includes assigning squawk codes or other pertinent information to VFR traffic.

If you're familiar with a particular field's operations and they don't process VFR traffic over clearance delivery, then don't bother with it. It depends on the specific airfield. If in doubt or you're unfamiliar with the field, the use clearance delivery. You're only giving the controllers a helping hand and a heads-up.

If the area will be using terminal radar services and/or has an approach controller, you should always start with Clearance Delivery where it's available. This includes airfields that are not controlled; many exist underlying controlled airspace, wherein a clearance delivery frequency is available from a larger satalite field. If it's available, call it; it's one more tool to ensure a more seamless entry into the system, and to provide all the available advance notice to both controllers and pilots alike for planning purposes.
 
Re: Am I missing something?

flyingwildfires said:
I hope if I am missing something, then someone will line me out.
I don't think so. As we go through this thread, and see people talking about flying out of Class B and "entry into the system" I am wondering whether we are talking about apples an oranges. VFR traffic, except for Class C and Class B is not entering any "system".

IFR
Primarily Clearance Delivery is a control tower position for the purpose of relaying IFR clearances to pilots prior to departure. At some Class E and G airports (usually one near Class B or C), there is a remote to a nearby airports' CD position to avoid the problems associated with void time clearances and busy airspace.

VFR
At airports within Class B airspace, CD provide VFR class B clearances to departing VFR aircraft. At most Class C airports, they also provide VFR departure instructions (I'm avoiding the use of the word "clearance" in airspace that has a communication rather than a clearance requirement).

In Class D, some towers, especially those near Class B or C airspace, use their CD position to provide clearances for aircraft that will be entering the overhanging Class C or D. At some it's "required" and when this is the case, ATIS will usually have an instruction to that effect.

Some Class D CDs and Class E CD-outlets can also be used to obtain advance clearances for VFR traffic what will be entering the nearby Class B or C. And some will provide VFR squawk codes for departing VFR that want flight following (although you can get these from Ground as well). But not all. And nothing in this paragraph is.

But, calling a Clearance Delivery channel at Class D or an CD-RCO at a Class E or G airport for the purpose of departing that airport for a VFR flight into Class E or G airspace just because there happens to be a CD frequency listed? Sorry. I just don't see the point, have never done it, have never been asked to do it when checking out with an instruction at a new-to-me airport, and can't imagine why I would teach it. I can just picture the response of the Tower at Centennial (APA) a Class D that is in the top 20-25 busiest airports in the country and 2nd only to Van Nuys as a GA-only Class D if every VFR flight called CD. Tower would be visiting the flight schools on the airport and saying, What the heck are you teaching.
 
I will try to end this thread

when in doubt, ASK ----> call CD

if familiar/etc ------> dont call CD, call ground


why is this so hard
 
thanks

Thanks for the replies and the info. I guess in hindsight I have run into clearance delivery only at busier airports, where if an a/c did NOT call them and went sraight to ground, they got their butts chewed.

Appreciate the info. I always find something interesting on this board, no matter what. Sometimes I worry that we get so wrapped up in what we're doing that we're missing new info or part of the bigger picture, that's why I always call ATC wherever we work and try to get a feel for the local procedures. They've always been super to us. Also ATC is great at expediting us, like Avbug says.

I'm always learning and hoep like h*ll I always will be, so appreciate all the good info I find on here... and Happy New Year to everyone..... many tailwinds and smooth skies.....

:cool:
 
Re: thanks

flyingwildfires said:
I'm always learning and hoep like h*ll I always will be
A terrific New Years resolution for us all!

Happy New Year.
 
I ask for clearance for VFR at KBNA (Class C), but at a class D airport near by I call ground.
 
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