USNA midshipmen own USAFA F-4

[FastCargo]

Actually, TonyC, I did see it. The F-4 you remember was replaced by the F-4 that you see now. It was my freshman year back in 86/87. In fact, I remember that they took the 'old' F-4 to Peterson AFB where it sat on the flightline for a LONG time...

FastCargo

 

[TonyC]

Actually, TonyC, I did see it. The F-4 you remember was replaced by the F-4 that you see now. It was my freshman year back in 86/87. In fact, I remember that they took the 'old' F-4 to Peterson AFB where it sat on the flightline for a LONG time...

FastCargo

Well, you learn something new every day. I guess I can go to sleep now.






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[Andy]

Actually, TonyC, I did see it. The F-4 you remember was replaced by the F-4 that you see now. It was my freshman year back in 86/87. In fact, I remember that they took the 'old' F-4 to Peterson AFB where it sat on the flightline for a LONG time...

FastCargo

I graduated in 86, so I wouldn't have seen the flyby/swapout. I don't remember the F-4 on the terazzo as a 'war memorial.' Hell, the alcohol that I've consumed since graduating has (fortunately) washed away most memories.

 

[Andy]

Awesome! I've got to give the middies credit for this one; it's well deserved.
Sorry, I'm not one of those sentimental types who gets hung up on nostalgia (war memorials). Hell, I still don't know if I've lost my plaque that my USAFA degree was on, presented by then-VP George Bush (too many PCSs).

I'm all in favor of a good spirit prank, and let's keep in mind that they did not damage the aircraft.

 

[DaveGriffin]

War memorials have been long off limits for spirit missions. The F-4 is such a memorial.

Right idea, wrong airplane. Classless.

Tony;

You have managed to reinforce every negative stereotype ever promulgated about Zoomies. Even though you got one-upped on this one you can still hold you head high.

Because of their relatively short tenure in the AF, the cadets have not yet been completely brainwashed in the typical AF bureaucratic, mind-numbing operational style which seeks to discourage and limit individual initiative and creativity. I am sure they will retaliate with something creative that will make you feel better about yourself and your school.

From AF twit to featherbedding union activist; looks like a natural career path for you.

 

[TonyC]

Tony;

You have managed to reinforce every negative stereotype ever promulgated about Zoomies. Even though you got one-upped on this one you can still hold you head high.

Because of their relatively short tenure in the AF, the cadets have not yet been completely brainwashed in the typical AF bureaucratic, mind-numbing operational style which seeks to discourage and limit individual initiative and creativity. I am sure they will retaliate with something creative that will make you feel better about yourself and your school.

From AF twit to featherbedding union activist; looks like a natural career path for you.

You sound angry, Dave.

I can understand your bias against the Air Force. Rivalries are healthy, and put-downs are expected.

But I don't understand the featherbedding remark. As you might recall, I was one of the few outspoken opponents of Delta's PRP program, and stood up to your favorite Delta Flightinfo pilot, General Lee, to oppose it. I can assure you that my bed gained no feathers over that ordeal.

Activist? Well, I do dupport the union, and I've participated in activities such as Unity Demonstrations and Informational Picketing. I have volunteered time to make a bunch of phone calls, but I wouldn't call that activism. Oh, I know. You must be referring to the bottles of union-purchased water I've accepted while standing on a sidewalk in the sun. I guess you're right, I did feather my bed there. Come to think of it, the lanyard I wear with my uniform came from ALPA, as well as the mousepad sitting next to my keyboard. I am reeling from guilt, now.








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[SIG600]

I've participated in activities such as Unity Demonstrations and Informational Picketing.

Is that a euphamism for "Gay pride parade?"

 

[Huggyu2]

Is that a euphamism for "Gay pride parade?"

Gee, SIG, you should be able to tell us: after all, your avatar says you are "the great cornholio".

 

[Occam's Razor]

From AF twit to featherbedding union activist; looks like a natural career path for you.

Hey! I'm a Marine twit and a union activist...and it's been a very natural career path.

Maybe you should stick to things you know something about.

Just a suggestion.

 

[coho92]

27-24
Way to back up the raid there middies - Good on you and good luck sailing over army for the CinC's trophy (anyone who went to a real school really won't care) at least I've bragging rite round the sqdn for another yer

PS its a static display not a war memorial - If USAFA could find a backbone and stop flipping over every issue its challenged by maybe they could discover something called tradition that seems to serve West Point and Annapolis so well

 

[stonewall]

27-24
Way to back up the raid there middies - Good on you and good luck sailing over army for the CinC's trophy (anyone who went to a real school really won't care) at least I've bragging rite round the sqdn for another yer

PS its a static display not a war memorial - If USAFA could find a backbone and stop flipping over every issue its challenged by maybe they could discover something called tradition that seems to serve West Point and Annapolis so well

Congrats to the Midiots. You, however, are a clown, and seem prone to speaking about things you know literally nothing about. Tradition is something that's dying at all service academies, and since we've only been around 100 yrs less than either of the fine Army or Naval institutions, why don't you cut us a break? I mean, every time I crush wholesale "divisions" of Navy fighters in 4vX's, I cut 'em ALOT of slack! They obviously need it!

 

[RJP]

USAF guys taking the initiative? Thinking outside the box? You don't have to get too creative to land on 2+ miles of wide runway.....

I'm sure the Ascot boys will come up with a plan and run it up the Chain of Command and get the UberCommander to approve it.....

Good luck....

Except for the fact that "b.o.x." must in-turn be replaced by "container", this post is a shack.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Congrats to the Midiots.

Yea, verily! Looks like the "paint-Ex" cast sufficient voodoo to make the zoomies grabs their throats with both hands during the game.

You, however, are a clown, and seem prone to speaking about things you know literally nothing about.

1. You say that like it's a bad thing!
2. Not really uncharted ocean there, Magellan!
3. Who would know better?
4. Then wouldn't that make him a expert on "clown" stuff, and therefore fully qualified to expound on academy issues?

Tradition is something that's dying at all service academies, and since we've only been around 100 yrs less than either of the fine Army or Naval institutions, why don't you cut us a break?

Ok...now I'm confused. Which one is the "cheater" academy? Which one is the "rape" academy? Which one had the murderer? Which one foments religious intolerance? Without a program, it's hard to tell them apart sometimes.

Maybe, just maybe, each of those schools is populated by college-age men and women who can discern the difference between painting swastikas on gravestones, and painting a Phantom with washable paint. Can you?

If you are truly a fighter pilot, then you understand what role "tradition" plays in a tactical engagement. "It's a tradition here in the Triple Nickel that we stay in STT until 15-miles." If the "big picture" at our service academies is only what is contained in the Reef Points or Contrails, we have a problem.

Some Mids played a prank on some Zoomies. Had they chosen to paint the pilot that actually scored the MiG kills in that aircraft, we'd have a real issue here.

I mean, every time I crush wholesale "divisions" of Navy fighters in 4vX's, I cut 'em ALOT of slack! They obviously need it!

OK everybody! Remain calm! I've seen this before. We're not supposed to wake him up when this happens. We'll wait until he's in R.E.M.

 

[coho92]

Nice post there mr ocean

For the record:

Cheater Academy - All 3
R*** Academy - USAFA (Public) USNA/USMA (prob had some cases two)
Handcuff to Urinal (hello black n) - USNA
Murderer (aka chem lab partner) - USNA/USAFA
right wing christian agenda - USAFA
cold dark gray lifestyle with lousy location (at least USAFA goes skiing and USNA used to have 22 pubs within walking distance to the gate) - USMA

Mr Magnum
lighten up - we're all in the game together - longer deployments, less time at home, and don't forget the joy of less flying time to shift the money for real world ops. Remember Sir the best thing about a converstion with a fighter pilot is that they usually have an IQ of 160 the bad thing is that it is extremely difficult to talk to four people at the same time.

 

[stonewall]

Nice post there mr ocean

For the record:

Cheater Academy - All 3
R*** Academy - USAFA (Public) USNA/USMA (prob had some cases two)
Handcuff to Urinal (hello black n) - USNA
Murderer (aka chem lab partner) - USNA/USAFA
right wing christian agenda - USAFA
cold dark gray lifestyle with lousy location (at least USAFA goes skiing and USNA used to have 22 pubs within walking distance to the gate) - USMA

Mr Magnum
lighten up - we're all in the game together - longer deployments, less time at home, and don't forget the joy of less flying time to shift the money for real world ops. Remember Sir the best thing about a converstion with a fighter pilot is that they usually have an IQ of 160 the bad thing is that it is extremely difficult to talk to four people at the same time.

Good one.

 

[stonewall]

Yea, verily! Looks like the "paint-Ex" cast sufficient voodoo to make the zoomies grabs their throats with both hands during the game.



1. You say that like it's a bad thing!
2. Not really uncharted ocean there, Magellan!
3. Who would know better?
4. Then wouldn't that make him a expert on "clown" stuff, and therefore fully qualified to expound on academy issues?



Ok...now I'm confused. Which one is the "cheater" academy? Which one is the "rape" academy? Which one had the murderer? Which one foments religious intolerance? Without a program, it's hard to tell them apart sometimes.

Maybe, just maybe, each of those schools is populated by college-age men and women who can discern the difference between painting swastikas on gravestones, and painting a Phantom with washable paint. Can you?

If you are truly a fighter pilot, then you understand what role "tradition" plays in a tactical engagement. "It's a tradition here in the Triple Nickel that we stay in STT until 15-miles." If the "big picture" at our service academies is only what is contained in the Reef Points or Contrails, we have a problem.

Some Mids played a prank on some Zoomies. Had they chosen to paint the pilot that actually scored the MiG kills in that aircraft, we'd have a real issue here.



OK everybody! Remain calm! I've seen this before. We're not supposed to wake him up when this happens. We'll wait until he's in R.E.M.

Tradition in tactical engagments? I've heard of standards, techniques, and 3-1, but never "traditions." You must have your terminology confused. Has it been that long out of the cockpit?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Tradition in tactical engagments? I've heard of standards, techniques, and 3-1, but never "traditions." You must have your terminology confused. Has it been that long out of the cockpit?

'Kay...you didn't get it. That's cool. I was going for the "big picture vs. local tradition" comparison. Probably a rim shot. Calling Single Target Track a "tradition" was just me being clever.

You had posted, "Tradition is something that's dying at all service academies,...", and later made reference to flying fighters. I was trying to point out that academy traditions are merely mechanisms to instill discipline and espirit...which ultimately (for fighter pilots) leads to pulling the trigger or pushing the button when the SHOOT cue pops up on the HUD.

The Mids on exchange at the Zoo don't give a rat's patoot about the traditions in place there. As long as they don't violate a universal taboo (burning the flag, for example) perhaps you shouldn't either?

 

[MercuryPilot]

At what? Painting? Let's wait and see what the USAFA bros do....

Apparently they responded by losing the ball game on Saturday.

BEAT ARMY!

 

[rcbullock]

Weighing in

As a data point.

IMHO: Unless it says something about being a memorial it's a static airplane with combat kills on display. Memorial to me implies that there is some sort of somber-inducing event attached. That sort of thing would be accompanied by a plaque. Unless you are memorializing the men it killed, but us all bein' conservative veterans, we probably aren't. They have their memorials of some form in their own country I imagine. Plus, maybe they all bailed out before the AA missile hit.

I'd call it fair game for a prank especially since they used water based paint.

FWIW, at OTS, we used permanent paint for all sorts of spirit missions, but for stuff that it didn't hurt to do so on. Sounds like the middies struck the right balance.

 

[MercuryPilot]

The Mids on exchange at the Zoo don't give a rat's patoot about the traditions in place there.

Traditions? My high school has been around longer than the USAFA. After it's been around a hundred years or so the AF cadets can come back and talk to us about traditions.

BTW, is the USAFA an accredited institution?

MP