usappy asks local NC court to stop jumpseat denials

[PCL_128]

No dog in the Airways fight, BUT...

Right, wrong or whatever...USAPA certainly is a tenacious bunch.

I remember on FI when people said USAPA would never see the light of day...the 'easties' were 'grasping for straws'.

USAPA is now a reality.

Then people said USAPA would never get enough votes to vote ALPA out...

ALPA is now history at LCC.

Now people are left with saying USAPA won't be able to change the Nic Award...

...that remains to be seen, but right now USAPA's batting a thousand.

Just an observation.

If this is what you call "batting a thousand," then you must be using the "new math."

"You want the jumpseat? Oh wait, you're a USCABAss. Sorry, but looks like the O2 is just a tad bit too low to carry your sorry ass today. See-ya!"

 

[Deadalus]

What exactly do you mean by "batting a thousand"? It doesn't appear they've done anything but use their numbers and anti-ALPA sentiment to vote out ALPA, no great feat there. But what have they done to help ALL the US pilots?

I wouldn't say they're batting a thousand. They've grabbed the bat and continue swinging at everything that comes past them.

RedMeat is always pro usapa and usually states he doesn't have a dog in the fight. Translated means he either has a dog in the fight or was furloughed US. usapa never intended to help all US pilots. It's just a bunch of three year olds that didn't get to keep the toy they stole from the store. Now they're throwing a fit. Their sense of right and wrong is not developed enough to understand what they're doing is WRONG.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Pcl128

PCL128,

These guys are the Fathers of kids your age. They have lost everything, with no time to make it up. It is unreal how heartless and ruthless humans are. You Sir, have become an animal of something I no longer want to be a part of. Good Luck with your new brotherhood. I feel sure that all your hatred comes from the tailwooping you took for Paying for Your Training at Gulfstream. I just can't beleive the person you have become. Worse then the people who once hated you.

Or maybe you have been called a scab because you work for Airtran. You seem as if you want someone else to be the scab so badly, so you can finally get that monkey of your back. Just grow up, and everything will work out for you. Find a way to lose that ego, and you will find peace my friend.

 

[BeCareful!]

What poorly crafted "spin" in all of this. The suit is obviously aimed at making sure the AWA-A330wannabies don't "conspire" with other carriers to deny jumpseats.

In no way is USAPA trying to control other carriers, only trying to make sure west pilots don't start a denial campaign with other carriers.

It's sad to see some people here taking posts like this so seriously. Most of us see right through it.

Try again, WD!

 

[PCL_128]

They have lost everything, with no time to make it up.

And your solution is that they steal from the West pilots to make up for it? Sorry, no dice.

Find a way to lose that ego, and you will find peace my friend.

I'm plenty "peaceful," thanks.

 

[regionaltard]

Any discussion of politicizing the jumpseat implies the concept of a brotherhood among pilots and a shared respect for the historic rules of the game. With that in mind, I'd put a United scab in the seat and buy him a beer at the destination before I'd let an easthole ride. Don't like it? Sue me.

 

[flylike44]

does this mean that i have to let all the scabs they have out west catch a ride too?

 

[Ocity]

No dog in the Airways fight, BUT...

Right, wrong or whatever...USAPA certainly is a tenacious bunch.

I remember on FI when people said USAPA would never see the light of day...the 'easties' were 'grasping for straws'.

USAPA is now a reality.

Then people said USAPA would never get enough votes to vote ALPA out...

ALPA is now history at LCC.

Now people are left with saying USAPA won't be able to change the Nic Award...

...that remains to be seen, but right now USAPA's batting a thousand.

Just an observation.

Aside from proving that they outnumber west pilots 2 to 1, and proving that they WILL disenfranchise the West at any cost,

What have they really accomplished? Unless you consider threats of Mass firings over Shop fees and other assorted law suits filed against the west something substantive.

They're looooooooooosers and they will go down in flames. It's just a question of when not if.

 

[Sig]

In no way is USAPA trying to control other carriers, only trying to make sure west pilots don't start a denial campaign with other carriers.

By the by, you realize you just completely justified WD's argument, right?

 

[Crzipilot]

Uhmmm...how many people in this thread that are FOR the west pilots creating a campaign of jumpseat denial, NOT a West pilot of PFT'er, or ALPA troll????

 

[get2flyin]

What poorly crafted "spin" in all of this. The suit is obviously aimed at making sure the AWA-A330wannabies don't "conspire" with other carriers to deny jumpseats.

In no way is USAPA trying to control other carriers, only trying to make sure west pilots don't start a denial campaign with other carriers.

You claim this is "spin", yet I can't help but wonder if you have you read the filing. Let's look at the section in contention again, shall we?

"3. From denying, conspiring to deny, or instigating denial of, access to "jump seats" on aircraft operated by any commercial carrier because of suspected membership in, or support of, USAPA, or status as an "East pilot," or because of any pretextual excuse to hide such anti-USAPA animus, or animus against East pilots; "

You can't help but notice *(although I've high-lighted it in red just in case) that it says "any commercial carrier". Thus, the leadership of USAPA has decided they should have some control over the jumpseats of other airlines. What if two pilots show up for the same UAL jumpseat and one of them is an East pilot? Will there be threats of legal action if the seat is denied?

You fear the West is "conspiring" against you. If a West pilot shares their dissatisfaction at the level of representation USAPA supposedly offers the West pilots, does that constitute "conspiring"? Or is it freedom of speech. Many of you have freely thrown ALPA under the bus, but you seem a little thin skinned when comments are made about USAPA.

it's sad to see some people here taking posts like this so seriously. Most of us see right through it.

Try again, WD!

What is there NOT to take seriously? USAPA has chosen legal action against 18 of it's so called "members" and 100 yet-to-be-named "John Doe"s. Although I lack your obviously tremendous legal mind, that sounds pretty serious to me. Further more, the organization has chosen to include ALL airline pilots as potential litigants if a denial of a jumpseat occurs involving a member of USAPA. What part of that do you and your East brothers "see right through"? So you "try again". Tell us what we are missing.

 

[eaglesview]

Uhmmm...how many people in this thread that are FOR the west pilots creating a campaign of jumpseat denial, NOT a West pilot of PFT'er, or ALPA troll????

You hit the nail on the head. Just the groups you mentioned are jumpseat denial.

According to Ocity they are all "loosers" which I guess means they all wear boxers.

 

[Ocity]

You hit the nail on the head. Just the groups you mentioned are jumpseat denial.

According to Ocity they are all "loosers" which I guess means they all wear boxers.

ALERT SEHAM!!!!! I made a Typo!!! This TRAVESTY against USAPA must be Vanquished!!!

I think we all know what I meant, they're losers...btw, they wear delicate little pink lacy panties, not boxers.

 

[eaglesview]

ALERT SEHAM!!!!! I made a Typo!!! This TRAVESTY against USAPA must be Vanquished!!!

I think we all know what I meant, they're losers...btw, they wear delicate little pink lacy panties, not boxers.

Man you are wrapped way to tight....delicate pink lacy panties???

 

[Morgoth]

Deny the JS to a FAA Inspector and you might find out who has jurisdiction.

Actually, I have denied the jumpseat to an FAA inspector. Aside from having to file an Irregular Operations Report, I heard nothing more about it from either my company or the FAA. In fact, the FAA inspector was very understanding when I explained why I was denying the jumpseat. He nodded, said thank you, and walked off of the airplane.

Maybe I was just lucky?

 

[eaglesview]

Actually, I have denied the jumpseat to an FAA inspector. Aside from having to file an Irregular Operations Report, I heard nothing more about it from either my company or the FAA. In fact, the FAA inspector was very understanding when I explained why I was denying the jumpseat. He nodded, said thank you, and walked off of the airplane.

Maybe I was just lucky?

The only folks I would consider denying a jumpseat ride to are folks on the scab list. I don’t mean the west’s version of the scab list I mean the list of pilots that crossed a picket line to go to work and replace another pilot.

 

[imacdog]

What poorly crafted "spin" in all of this. The suit is obviously aimed at making sure the AWA-A330wannabies don't "conspire" with other carriers to deny jumpseats.

In no way is USAPA trying to control other carriers, only trying to make sure west pilots don't start a denial campaign with other carriers.

It's sad to see some people here taking posts like this so seriously. Most of us see right through it.

Try again, WD!

Can we start referring to the East pilots as "Profitable wannabies"?

Seriously, how much are dues now with all your lawsuits? 5%? That's gotta hurt considering your LOA93 pay rates.

 

[get2flyin]

The only folks I would consider denying a jumpseat ride to are folks on the scab list. I don’t mean the west’s version of the scab list I mean the list of pilots that crossed a picket line to go to work and replace another pilot.

I will concede that the use of the term "scab" when referring to an East pilot is a bit of a stretch because they haven't crossed a picket line. But, it's hard to argue that a sizable number of East pilots have come back from furlough and due to new furloughs, taken the jobs of West pilots. In essence, they have come back from obscurity and "replaced another pilot" with the blessing of THEIR new union that supposedly represents BOTH East and West. I'm not suggesting you block anyone from your jumpseat, but it is food for thought.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

USAPA dues is 5%?

 

[Bringupthebird]

If USAPA miscalculated the resolve of the AWA pilots and are forced to pay for it with their jumpseats, so be it. This is war, there is no demilitarized zone.