USAPA / US Airways MOU

[fam62c]

APA is going to be in charge here, they have the numbers to win any representation election and they fly most of the big birds. For DP American is the prize, much of LCC is expendable once the better AMR hub system is available. CLT will eventually become a ghost-town like STL and PIT. The good part for the pilots is that there are a ton of old guys at east and American and the list will shrink from the top quickly.

 

[waveflyer]

who ever came up with the term Force Majeure needs to be hit with a 2x4 across the head.

"A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH
• Force majeure is a term imported into the laws of England and Wales from the French Napoleonic Code.
• Force majeure clauses are now well established as “boilerplate” clauses, essential to the mechanics of commercial contracts.
• Despite the popularity of force majeure clauses, the courts have struggled to define what force majeure means.
• Recent events, such as the advent of Swine Flu and the extreme cold weather which has affected the UK, have focussed attention on force majeure clauses.
• The doctrine of frustration may assist when a force majeure clause cannot be relied upon.
The concept of “force majeure” is not - as the name would suggest - of domestic origin, but has been imported into the laws of England and Wales from the French Napoleonic Code. A force majeure clause is now considered a “boilerplate” clause, essential to the mechanics of many commercial contracts. The function of a force majeure clause is to absolve either party from liability where unexpected events occur. Its literal meaning is “superior force”, denoting an influence that is not capable of being controlled."

 

[LearLove]

• Despite the popularity of force majeure clauses, the courts have struggled to define what force majeure means.[/B]

So basically the company (IMO) can come back and use anything they want as force majeure.

Oil goes up 1 cent - hey force majeure and you're furloughed

CEO needs a new BMW - hey force majeure and you're furloughed

Put a no furlough section and leave out the force majeure and I'll be more inclined, but with the force majeure sentence following every no furlough clause I've ever seen and they aren't worth the paper they're written on.

 

[B-atch]

"In the unlikely event that Force Majeure is implemented, management will lead by example by taking an immediate and irreversible 40% pay-cut". Now that's a clause I can live with!!

 

[cbrown1]

what exactly is in this mou? Pay increases, scope, furlough protection?

 

[Turtle21]

what exactly is in this mou? Pay increases, scope, furlough protection?

Good:
--Excellent pay rates for narrow body and wide body aircraft

Bad:
-- forfeiture of SnapBack provision in our current contract to pay rates much higher than the pay rates now being offered
-- allows 15% reduction of narrow body aircraft per year with no end
-- allows 20% reduction of wide body per year, no end
-- allows unlimited increase of E-190
-- allows unlimited code share

Those are some highlights

 

[dollacrackho]

What pay rates are they offering on the 190?

 

[cbrown1]

What are the rates?

 

[Tweaker]

$116 / hour PIC, max scale.

3 year parity with DAL which according to USAPA slides was $130. Confirm?

 

[Turtle21]

$116 / hour PIC, max scale.

3 year parity with DAL which according to USAPA slides was $130. Confirm?

3 year review/discuss total cockpit cost with Delta. I.e. company gets to declare various total cost factors, math magic. Just a promise to review.

 

[caseyd]

No, I mean if he has learned, at least as far as LCC pilots are concerned. If he has learned, he'll be able to cut LCC flying 10 percent a year, resetting the average each year, of course allowing another 10 percent to be cut each new year. That is what he argued in front of Bloch, to no avail.

What if he has figured out a way around that? Then we, both east and west, versus APA, will find out just what he had in mind for the west and east pilots. Ie. shrink the west 10 percent, give to the east, reset the average, then shrink the west another ten percent, rinse and repeat. Only this time it will be shrink LCC, give to AA, rinse and repeat.

There are enough 'mays' in that MOU that it appears this may be drug out. If so we east and west, would realize what the company had in mind for the west before TA 10 arbitration stopped it.

I swear.. You guys sleep with the lights on.....you are scared of everything.

If you spend five more years on loa93 you deserve it.

 

[caseyd]

So basically the company (IMO) can come back and use anything they want as force majeure.

Oil goes up 1 cent - hey force majeure and you're furloughed

CEO needs a new BMW - hey force majeure and you're furloughed

Put a no furlough section and leave out the force majeure and I'll be more inclined, but with the force majeure sentence following every no furlough clause I've ever seen and they aren't worth the paper they're written on.

More scared of the dark!

 

[caseyd]

Good:
--Excellent pay rates for narrow body and wide body aircraft

Bad:
-- forfeiture of SnapBack provision in our current contract to pay rates much higher than the pay rates now being offered
-- allows 15% reduction of narrow body aircraft per year with no end
-- allows 20% reduction of wide body per year, no end
-- allows unlimited increase of E-190
-- allows unlimited code share

Those are some highlights

And yet more scared of the dark....the whole airline gets traded out 320'sfor 190's....330's for 190's.....767 for 190's

All the while delta and UAL are adding 737 and 320....

Your gonna cost yourself huge unless you grow a pair.....

 

[Citjok]

I swear.. You guys sleep with the lights on.....you are scared of everything.

If you spend five more years on loa93 you deserve it.

What do you expect from being f&*^!d by management and "the union" for many, many, many years.

 

[DCAA320]

What do you expect from being f&*^!d by management and "the union" for many, many, many years.

Not to mention management doesn't even use any of that his/her K Y when they do it.