USAPA: Downfall is coming from within!

[Speedtape]

Watching from the sidelines, it's time to end the madness! Everyone is getting hurt. There is no bad time to recall bad leadership!

Many promises were made, nothing has happened but gridlock! Purge the bad leadership and focus on what two former great pilot groups can accomplish when pulling on the same end of the rope! Don't allow the majority to be ruled by the minority. Right now, your situation is equivalent to being lost in the desert for 40 years. Nothing will change until good men and good leadership take action.

As an offline ALPA member, we want you back! We are stronger with you, and you are stronger with access to the ALPA Toolbox!

 

[T2Bus]

It's time to throw out the thugs who have denied both pilot groups out of a good contract and labor peace. But, Cleary and his merry men in green panties don't want that. They just want DOH that gives them more numbers from being displaced to the street. What does Final and Binding mean when both sides signed the paper! Judge Wake knows! Why is it OK to place a 23 year Captain in the top 10% of his list (...all time in the left seat) to a mid range FO in the 49% level. Not cool....

 

[T2Bus]

This was the goal of the merger:

ALPA Merger Policy specifies 5 goals for seniority list integration.

They are, in no particular order:

Preserve jobs.
Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the other.
Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of living.
Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.
Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.

ALPA Merger Policy makes no mention of date of hire or any other method of achieving these goals. The Merger Representatives must determine which method or combinations of methods best meet the goals. The goals all address what your seniority will buy upon integration and into the future. This is the yardstick of fairness by which any proposed method of integration must be judged. When you meet America West pilots, be as welcoming as you can. Remember that the seniority list integration will not be accomplished in the jump seat, the crew room, web boards or the hotel van. Trust the process and trust your merger team to do the very best job we can in protecting the best interests of all US Airways pilots.

 

[T2Bus]

The ALPA Arbitration Board
-------------------------------------------------------------x
In the Matter of the Seniority Integration of
The Pilots of US Airways, Inc.
and
The Pilots of America West Airlines, Inc.
-------------------------------------------------------------x
The ALPA Arbitration Board
George Nicolau, Chairman
Captain Stephen Gillen, Pilot Neutral
Captain James P. Brucia, Pilot Neutral
APPEARANCES
For the US Airways Pilots:
Katz & Ranzman, P.C.
By: Daniel M. Katz, Esq.
Jason M. Whiteman. Esq.
For the America West Pilots:
Bredhoff & Kaiser, P.L.L.C.
By: Jeffrey R. Freund, Esq.
Roger Pollack, Esq.
Lisa Powell, Esq.
OPINION
AND
AWARD

On May 19, 2005, US Airways and America West Airlines
announced that they would merge, taking the name US Airways. Both
pilot groups were represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, which
has a Merger Policy goveming the integration of pilot seniority lists.
Pursuant to that Policy, each group chooses a Merger Committee,
whose representatives are charged with exchanging employment data
and seeking to determine a fair and equitable integration of their
respective lists.

2
The Policy, in pertinent part, provides as follows:
The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the
equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint
session, the merger representatives should attempt to
match equities to various methods of integration until a fair
and equitable agreement is reached, keeping in mind the
following goals, in no particular order:

a. Preserve jobs.
b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the
other.
c. Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of
living.
d. Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.
e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.

If the Merger Representatives are unable to agree on an
integrated list, the matter may be referred to Mediation-Arbitration or
directly to arbitration if the Representatives choose that path. In this
instance, despite a year of negotiating efforts, there was no agreement
on a list. Subsequently, the Representatives choose the Undersigned
as Board Chairman and opted for the Med-Arb process. Those
mediation efforts, held over the course of five days in October 2006,
were similarly unsuccessful. Thereafter, the Parties agreed on the
arbitration ground rules, and, pursuant to the Policy, each chose a
Pilot Neutral from ALPA's Pilot Neutral Master List as a nonvoting
member of the Arbitration Board.

 

[T2Bus]

Where is Bradford? Why didn't he defend USAPA in court? He is the George Washington of USAPA. If the union is "so" good to it's pilots on both side of the Mississippi, then why didn't he go to Judge Wake's courtroom? Can any East pilot answer those questions....?

 

[Carl S.]

If there was limited time to argue their case, why did USAPA spent so much time on Scully and Skiles, two great parties to the senority intergration? Oh wait, did their Shock and Awe not work?

 

[T2Bus]

Another East Pilot ideas:

Op/Ed Hosted by Unbiased Facts
June 4, 2009

A Path Forward



By Guest Writer Tory Vaughan


To all,

Two years ago I heard about a group of pilots trying to stand up for what
they believed to be right and so I listened to what they had to say. They told
me that Date of Hire was the correct way to merge two airlines pilot
seniority lists and, at first, because I care about my fellow pilots, I supported
their efforts. However, after considering all involved I realized regardless of
how much one wants to support one's friends and fellow pilots that there was
more to consider. What kept bothering my soul was the fact that there was
an agreed-to process between the pilots of America West and US Airways.
Both sides knew that going into arbitration there was a chance they may lose
everything they sought. The time to discuss that process and what is the right
and wrong ways to merge seniority list was before the process began. Once
the process started it is time to honor one's agreements. The law of the
United States backs up these agreements made and I believe unless USAPA
can secede from the United States and appoint Lee Seham Attorney General,
USAPA will lose and fail its' members. In my opinion what is going to be
the largest problem for our pilot group in the future is that if USAPA
continues on its' present course, the pilot group is going to become even
more polarized than it is now. This will lead to an all out civil war and
USAPA will be forced into a corner. This will find USAPA in a situation to
call for a job action leading to a bad scenario for all pilots here.

The best solution in my opinion is to now negotiate a better contract for
ALL US Airways pilots. Items such as a new pay scale that gives credit for
years of service, a better reserve system that isn't the slave system that we
have now, more vacation days, and an improved retirement plan will
improve the quality of life for ALL US Airways pilots. USAPA must change
course if there is to be a successful outcome to our present situation.
Therefore, it is time for the pilots of US Airways to acknowledge
the truth that the law is going to back up the Nicolau award and demand a
change of course in USAPA strategy, or change CBA's.

It is time to realize that the courts don't (and can’t) care about what any
individual pilot feels is fair. The truth is there was an agreed - to process
before the seniority arbitration began and that is what is going to kill the
USAPA strategy in court. Short of seceding from the United States,
USAPA's present strategy will fail.

Respectfully submitted,
Tory Vaughan
























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[MCDU]

This coming from a 767 capt Tory Vaughan the III,who was not effected by the Nic award. Sen. number 586. He is a complete idiot. This is of no surprise. He wants more money and he loves the fact that he can still fly past 60. Greed. Pilot Greed.

USAPA has protected many East pilots from the street. With the Nic all furloughed pilots would be East with a 100% paycut and many East pilots would be flying the 190, while West pilots would be replacing East Jobs in East bases. Not having the Nic award implemented has saved many USAIR pilots their jobs in their bases and aircraft.

It has not been all bad for the lower part of USAIRS seniority list. Nic implemented would be devasting for the USAIR East F/O's. The Nic award places furloughed West pilots DOH 2005 ahead of 1988 East widebody postions and airbus line holders and 190 captains. This fence has been good for the F/O at the East operations. The longer they can create an artifical fence, the better of many will be until the retirements kick in in 3 plus years.

Too bad AWA did not merge with the growing airline Skybus a few years ago. Many planes on order and fast upgrades. Kind of like AWA after 9/11. Would have been a perfect fit, since AWA always wanted CMH and AWA pilots do no care about longevity.

Integrity=DOH
DOH= Workings of a real Union

M

 

[FDJ2]

USAPA has protected many East pilots from the street. With the Nic all furloughed pilots would be East with a 100% paycut and many East pilots would be flying the 190, while West pilots would be replacing East Jobs in East bases. /QUOTE]


I thought it was USAPA's job to protect ALL the USAirways pilots jobs, not the East's at the expense of the West.

The Nicolau award will be implemented. The wheels of justice are in motion, it's just a matter of time and how much damages the east pilots will ultimately be forced to pay the west pilots for failing to honor their agreements.

 

[MCDU]

How many West pilots are in good standing? They have no rights if Westies are a non union members in bad standing.

I guess its ok to furlough all east pilots, even though west jobs are being shed? East and West pilots have been furloughed. West wants a windfall where all furloughs are East.

M

 

[T2Bus]

Who is going to pay the legal cost?

Quick Facts
June 8, 2009

Troubles Mount

In
its
first
14
months
as
a
union
USAPA
has
been
involved
in
four
court

proceedings/trials
against
US
Airways
Group
pilots
and
now
the
list
continues
to

grow.





USAPA
Update
–
June
3,
2009


“USAPA
President
Captain
Mike
Cleary
briefed
the
Board
about
a
complaint
filed
by

ALPA
on
February
27,
2009,
in
Eastern
Federal
District
Court.
The
complaint
alleges

violations
of
the
Railway
Labor
Act
regarding
flow
through
issues
to
US
Airways
for

pilots
at
both
PSA
and
Piedmont
Airlines.
ALPA
is
seeking
to
establish
an
Arbitration

Board
with
jurisdiction
over
the
defendants
to
resolve
the
entire
dispute.
The
airline

defendants
have
filed
a
motion
to
dismiss
the
complaint.
A
hearing
is
scheduled
for
July
10,
2009,
on
this
matter.”



_____________________________


USAPA
filed
the
Rico
lawsuit
against
the
West pilots.​

Found
guilty
of
DFR
in
the
Addington
trial.​

Faces
a
bench
trial
for
class
action
damages
in
August
because
of
its
DFR
guilty
verdict.​

Now
is
involved
in
a
RLA
complaint
in
Federal
Court.​




To
grow
its
list
 of
legal
battles
the
union
is
preparing
for
another
court
battle
by
filing
an
appeal
to
the
 Ninth
Circuit
Court
to
have
the
Addington
trial
remanded
back
to
Arizona
Federal
 Court,
which
has
about
a
5
percent
chance
of
appellate
success
according
to
legal
statistics.

Can
lawsuit
after
lawsuit
against
fellow
pilots
help
the
US
Airways
pilot
group
move
forward?
How
much
more
money
will
members
pay
through
dues
and
more
assessments
to
Lee
Seham
to
fund
litigation?









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[T2Bus]

How many West pilots are in good standing? They have no rights if Westies are a non union members in bad standing.

I guess its ok to furlough all east pilots, even though west jobs are being shed? East and West pilots have been furloughed. West wants a windfall where all furloughs are East.

M

MCDU...go back to Wendys.​

 

[T2Bus]

A QUOTE from MCDU​

(1824387)

"This coming from a 767 capt Tory Vaughan the III,who was not effected by the Nic award. Sen. number 586. He is a complete idiot. This is of no surprise. He wants more money and he loves the fact that he can still fly past 60. Greed. Pilot Greed."


MCDU...Calling a respected and senior B767 Captain an "IDIOT". I guess it's justified by someone like you who works at Wendys and flys C-150s

 

[FDJ2]

How many West pilots are in good standing? They have no rights if Westies are a non union members in bad standing.


M

USAPA has a duty to fairly represent all USAirways pilots, whether members or not, it is because they have been shown to have failed in that duty that a jury found them guilty of a failure of DFR and a judge will impose a remedy, which may include among other things, the implementation of the Nicolau award with or without a joint contract.

 

[cactusboy53]

This coming from a 767 capt Tory Vaughan the III,who was not effected by the Nic award. Sen. number 586. He is a complete idiot. This is of no surprise. He wants more money and he loves the fact that he can still fly past 60. Greed. Pilot Greed.

USAPA has protected many East pilots from the street. With the Nic all furloughed pilots would be East with a 100% paycut and many East pilots would be flying the 190, while West pilots would be replacing East Jobs in East bases. Not having the Nic award implemented has saved many USAIR pilots their jobs in their bases and aircraft.

It has not been all bad for the lower part of USAIRS seniority list. Nic implemented would be devasting for the USAIR East F/O's. The Nic award places furloughed West pilots DOH 2005 ahead of 1988 East widebody postions and airbus line holders and 190 captains. This fence has been good for the F/O at the East operations. The longer they can create an artifical fence, the better of many will be until the retirements kick in in 3 plus years.

Too bad AWA did not merge with the growing airline Skybus a few years ago. Many planes on order and fast upgrades. Kind of like AWA after 9/11. Would have been a perfect fit, since AWA always wanted CMH and AWA pilots do no care about longevity.

Integrity=DOH
DOH= Workings of a real Union

M

My, my, my.....we are just a little touchy for someone that does not work for LCC.

Since you don't work for us, you should probably just read and lurk. Better yet, why don't you go to your airline website and pester them. Your input & opinion are not required here.

 

[T2Bus]

MCDU doesn't have an airline.....he works for Wendys and flys a C-152.

 

[hockeypilot44]

At least ALPA is gone.

 

[regionaltard]

Integrity=DOH
DOH= Workings of a real Union

D'oh!=USAPA. Lee Seaham has figured out a way to turn greed and stupidity into gold.

 

[samballs]

The east needs to go south

 

[FDJ2]

At least ALPA is gone.

Yeah, that should make things all better.