USAPA: Downfall is coming from within!

[Crzipilot]

Hmmm...sorta sounds the path the ALPA is taking.

someone said, for those that made the mess, should fix the mess. Well ALPA definately made this mess, by many missteps and such, (starting years ago) don't think they want anything to do with us, unless of course we bring back our 14million.

PCL. were you interviewed for any of the regional pilot articles that have been written lately??? Figure you'd be a great source going through the GIA academy, and working at pinnacle for some time......

 

[Bringupthebird]

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Is that why the west will not discuss a 10 year fence??? the answer please - YES
Metrojet

Did the east offer a fence during initial negotiations? the answer- NO!

The east likes to imagine themselves as oracles of wisdom, but then behaves like kids who were raised on games where they couldn't lose. They didn't negotiate reasonably and now have to live with the consequences of their mistake.

Why do they think they can beat mercy out of someone?

 

[TWA Dude]

someone said, for those that made the mess, should fix the mess. Well ALPA definately made this mess, by many missteps and such, (starting years ago) don't think they want anything to do with us, unless of course we bring back our 14million.

And ALPA was on that grassy knoll in Dallas back in '63 too. You need to lose the scapegoating. You don't like the way the arbitrator ruled and that's the totality of the issue. ALPA isn't the problem, the West pilots aren't the problem, the courts aren't the problem, even the company isn't the problem here. That only leaves one entity left to blame.

And BTW, some Easties have proudly proclaimed George Nicolau's retirement or ALPA never using him again. Wrong. He's currently handling arbitrations for Eagle. Guess he's not a senile incompetent after all.

 

[Speedtape]

If you read the ALPA Merger Policy, it simply sets up a framework, not a solution to merging seniority list. From experience, the Framers knew that one size does not fit all. Most of the responsibility resides with the leadership of each Pilot group that is directly involved--who else has a more vested interest in the outcome. The problem is not with National ALPA, the problem lies with the leadership of the respective pilot groups of not being able to negotiate, compromise, and work a settlement that would have possibly been more acceptable to both sides versus an Arbitrated (arbritary) 3rd party settlement. Everything was left to the Arbitrated process. Your leadership (both sides) submitted to it, and in the end, you will live by it. It will not be overturned! In the meantime, you have allowed Doug Parker to win! Hopefully, this will be put behind you before the next merger comes--it's coming!

Delta and the NWA pilot group made the Merger Policy work for them because they worked out as many of the issues as possible, and then and only then, submitted the unresolved issues to Arbitration. A ruling was then made, and both sides accepted it. There seems to be no major issues with their results. Now, they are well positioned to benefit most with future opportunities.

Don't blame ALPA! Leadership at the respective airlines is on the spearhead. Maybe, one more than the other is to blame. But for sure, all will suffer until someone with vision and leadership, like Lee Moak, steps forward and brings the groups together. It's still possible. Having a common goal of having ONE Pilot Working Agreement could be a start. Stalemate and Gridlock is detrimental to both pilot groups--maybe even terminal!

 

[PCL_128]

someone said, for those that made the mess, should fix the mess. Well ALPA definately made this mess

Wrong. The East pilots and MEC made the mess. When the arbitrator tells you "no DOH," then you'd better bring him something other than DOH.

don't think they want anything to do with us, unless of course we bring back our 14million.

You actually don't bring anything near $14 million in dues revenue. Try about $4 million less. In any case, I'd certainly like to see you come back, and it has nothing to do with money. We need a single unified union to advance this profession.

PCL. were you interviewed for any of the regional pilot articles that have been written lately??? Figure you'd be a great source going through the GIA academy, and working at pinnacle for some time......

Negative, although I was contacted. I turned down interviews with the WSJ and USAToday and referred them to ALPA National. My union speaks for me.

 

[Speedtape]

PCL 128,

I am glad that once again you can say your Union speaks for you. Good Luck in negotiations!

 

[T2Bus]

Solitaire

Posted by TheEye at 6/18/2009 1:10 AM
Categories: uncategorized

Since the unanimous jury verdict convicting USAPA of a DFR against the west pilots, the Association has been in a tailspin:

- We've just received word that Mr. Brengle was dismissed by the Association. Apparently a winning a game of Solitaire was more attainable than overturning a binding arbitration. Good thing the sage advice offered by Mr. Seham is still on retainer.

- The National officers called "time out" to the incessant infighting in order to pad their pockets with an obscenely rich compensation package. Remember the campaign literature criticizing ALPA volunteers for flight pay loss abuse and inflated expense reports?

Yup, the officers will now get stipends that are almost 50% higher than monthly line holder per diem checks. This money is in addition to any expenses reimbursed by the Association.

- Next week, Judge Wake will most likely issue a permanent injunction compelling USAPA to negotiate (in good faith) for a joint contract inclusive of the Nicolau Award. It is highly unlikely that the Ninth Circuit will issue a stay pending appeal. As we’ve been saying all along, the Nicolau Award is here to stay. The sooner this reality is accepted, the sooner we can get a contract that lifts both pilot groups out of the cellar.

Yet, the BPR is still in denial and is working on a plan to essentially park joint contract talks in favor of Section 6 negotiations for just the east pilots. There are two glaring problems with this tack:

1. Opening Section 6 negotiations will likely be in direct violation of Judge Wake’s Order. The Association and its officers risk contempt charges should they pursue this route.
2. The west pilots opened Section 6 negotiations just prior to the NMB vote. Former USAPA President Bradford sent an email to a pilot stating that USAPA was only interested in joint contract talks (with a DOH seniority list) in response to a question about the Association’s administration of these negotiations. Should USAPA open east only Section 6 negotiations, a compelling DFR lawsuit would almost certainly be filed.

In light of the above, the BPR’s plan to pursue the Section 6 route is DOA. That’s right, the opportunity to secure gains outside of joint negotiations is no longer available.

With the possibility of ousting USAPA many months away, TheEye believes that the best course of action is revolution from within. Remember, it only takes 25% of the active membership to initiate a recall referendum. A new direction can be charted long before a new bargaining agent can salvage this rudderless ship. In the interim, we must take over the reigns from within, and at the very least, float this sinking ship.

It’s up to us; join and use the power of membership or sit playing Solitaire wishing we were somewhere else.

 

[T2Bus]

Quick Facts #7 Hosted on Unbiased Facts
June 15, 2009

“An Inordinate Amount of Obsessive Behavior”


From February, USAPA Insider comments:

Doug Mowery USAPA President Campaign Letter Comment

“I am concerned that the promised “transparency” of our union has not materialized to the extent
I thought it would. I see an inordinate amount of obsessive behavior over security and
leaks. Communications to you are, at times, misleading through a failure to tell the “whole
story”. Those on the inside know what I am talking about. Those of you on the outside, the line
pilots, do not know what I am talking about because of the actions taken by some to withhold
information from you. I will work to truly make this the transparent union I envisioned when I
voted for USAPA. Strategy, and the like, should be confidential until the proper time, but I am
hearing and seeing issues surrounding the administration of your union that are unnecessarily
kept confidential.”



From Today:

Report: A recent report indicates that USAPA is seeking to gain control of the old ALPA
Pilot Voluntary Fund (PVF) that has about $140,000 in the account to support
pilots in need. However, USAPA officials have indicated potential PVF USAPA
Administrators desire to be paid Flight Pay Loss at 5 hours per day when
administering the account. They are proposing that this flight pay loss be paid
from the PVF, money donated by fellow pilots (outside of dues and, under ALPA,
administered on an entirely voluntary basis) to assist pilots in need!

Question: The BPR recently authorized 12 USAPA members to receive 85-hour full Flight
Play Loss plus stipends totaling $159,000 per year and USAPA officials are
reportedly trying to gain control of PVF. Did Doug Mowery try to warn the pilot
group about the course of current BPR officials and their USAPA Union Leader
Bonus Compensation Plan?





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[T2Bus]

Quick Facts #6 Hosted on Unbiased Facts
June 15, 2009

$18,000.00 Tax Free Bonus! Yearly!



Huge, Tax-Free, Bonuses (provided by you) for the 12 (minimum) Full-Time
USAPA Pilots.

Straight from the USAPA PHL Local Council Update released over the
weekend:

…. Day 3 began with the hot topic of Officer and other full-time Union Pilots’
compensation. After a lengthy and productive discussion, including the
acknowledgement that all Officers, Reps, and other full-time Union workers,
spend countless hours doing the work of the Pilots, it was determined that the
proper compensation be as follows:

• USAPA President 85 hours + $18,000/year – Tax Free

• Other USAPA Officers 85 hours + $15,000/year - Tax Free

• Other USAPA full time workers 85 hours + $12,000/year – Tax Free

The Pilots outside of the Officer corps who are currently on full time status are,
4 NAC members plus the note taker, 1 Merger Committee member, Comm
Chair, and Grievance Chair. The 85 hours per month are based on the
equipment currently held. This policy is in full compliance with USAPA’s
C&BL….

Wow!

Tax Free Bonuses paid by the pilots to the officers and “workers” including the
5 man, full-time, “Negotiating Advisory Committee” who can’t find a way to
pick up the raise (for the real working pilots) that has been sitting on the table
for over 3 years. Say again? We’re paying them bonuses for their “countless
hours” of hard what?

USAPA’s Motto:

It’s Not What You Say, It’s What You Do.

It certainly is.

 

[T2Bus]

Just curious.....Where'e Bradford these days? I'm sorry, where's Waldo?