USAPA Card Count

[PHXFLYR]

No .We're not trying to "reason with hurricane season." We're trying to reason with a bunch of imbiciles! It's got nothing to do with Hurricanes.


Patiently waiting for you guys to return to planet earth,but refusing to hold my breath.

PHXFLYR

 

[Soulfly]

Meanwhile,

Every East Captain is giving up over $3,000 a month, and 2 more weeks of vacation a year and more days off a month.

I just realized a senior SWA FO makes more than a 20 year AAA Narrowbody captain. WOW!

Maybe, common sense will take over.

I don't know of hardly any AWA guys that want to go East.

Why? You can't sell your house here in Phoenix, period, end of discussion. Unless you give it away, which isn't going to happen. Financially impossible.

I am sure there a quite a few ex - PSA guys that would like to bid Phoenix and end that x- country commute. And they should be able to.

If USAPA succeeds, or even attempts to force a vote, this place is probably done. Not suprising though. History tends to repeat itself.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Meanwhile,

Every East Captain is giving up over $3,000 a month, and 2 more weeks of vacation a year and more days off a month.

I just realized a senior SWA FO makes more than a 20 year AAA Narrowbody captain. WOW!

Wow! If they are giving up THAT much, then there must be a serious flaw with the award. If they are giving up that much, their resolve must be STRONG!!!

 

[abefly]

Wow! If they are giving up THAT much, then there must be a serious flaw with the award. If they are giving up that much, their resolve must be STRONG!!!

What flaw in the award? Get over it...Its a done deal! It is time to move on....."How about I take half your money, take you outside, kick you in the nuts and we call it a day"...Vegas Vacation

 

[TWA Dude]

Wow! If they are giving up THAT much, then there must be a serious flaw with the award.

There's a definately a serious flaw somewhere but it ain't with Nicolau's decision.

If they are giving up that much, their resolve must be STRONG!!!

Might doesn't make right. USAPA may eventually forge enough cards to get an election but winning that election is far from a forgone conclusion.

 

[BeCareful!]

Wow! If they are giving up THAT much, then there must be a serious flaw with the award. If they are giving up that much, their resolve must be STRONG!!!

Exactly. I love how west posters keep harping on the situation as if to imply that the east guys are just plain stupid.

By embracing the concept of a vote, east pilots are finally behaving like union brothers. All of the childish disrespect you read from west pilots mimics the politics of fear so prevalent in the media these days.

Seniority is a huge issue, and I'm certainly glad there's an attempt being made to respect it. Probably a lost cause, but very much worth a try.

If you guys are so sure that houses will never sell in PHX again and that none of you want to come fly left seat in the east, then why are you not fast-tracking things by offering a fence?

Furthermore, how about this: promotions by seniority, with fences, but furloughs go by date of hire. You guys have a problem with that?

Cool....call your reps and let's get on with it. See, this way, east 1988 hires won't have to be furloughed four times while west 2005 hires never see one.

 

[TWA Dude]

If you guys are so sure that houses will never sell in PHX again and that none of you want to come fly left seat in the east, then why are you not fast-tracking things by offering a fence?

Offer a fence in return for what? You know, a negotiation usually means a give-and-take. What do you have to offer us? Right now you're effectively holding a gun to our head and demanding a concession -- and you wonder why we don't just give in to your reasonable offer? Pull the trigger! Go ahead, I dare ya.

Furthermore, how about this: promotions by seniority, with fences, but furloughs go by date of hire. You guys have a problem with that?

Yes, we definitely do have a problem with that. Nicolau's decision ensured that future furloughs would be shared by both sides. Now you propose that we be your furlough-fodder? Gee, I wonder why that ain't going over so well.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Wow! If they are giving up THAT much, then there must be a serious flaw with the award. If they are giving up that much, their resolve must be STRONG!!!

Actually put it to a vote. Give the East pilots a chance to vote on desent TA. (Doug needs to put up too.) Then you will see what they give up. Just a few whinning furloughees, that should be happy to have returned to this mess, and the AAA LEC, MEC reps, keep this crying game going.

 

[FR8mastr]

Nicolau's decision ensured that future furloughs would be shared by both sides.

That will have to be one heck of a furlough in order for the west to "share" it.

 

[Guppiedriver]

That will have to be one heck of a furlough in order for the west to "share" it.

Less than 10%, which is the size of an average furlough.

 

[ALGFLYR]

What flaw in the award? Get over it...Its a done deal! It is time to move on....."How about I take half your money, take you outside, kick you in the nuts and we call it a day"...Vegas Vacation

Done deal????

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

 

[Guppiedriver]

Offer a fence in return for what? You know, a negotiation usually means a give-and-take. What do you have to offer us? Right now you're effectively holding a gun to your head and demanding a concession -- and you wonder why we don't just give in to your reasonable offer? Pull the trigger! Go ahead, I dare ya.Yes, we definitely do have a problem with that. Nicolau's decision ensured that future furloughs would be shared by both sides. Now you propose that we be your furlough-fodder? Gee, I wonder why that ain't going over so well.

I knew what you meant TWA, but I fixed it for you anyway. BTW, well said!

 

[TWA Dude]

That will have to be one heck of a furlough in order for the west to "share" it.

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Nicolau dovetailed all the active pilots on the list.

 

[FR8mastr]

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Nicolau dovetailed all the active pilots on the list.

Easy, since then the furloughed guys have all been called back, so now the west has a 500 or so buffer. (I dont know the exact number of the 1700 furloughed that came back)
add 20 or so poolies, and now new hires to the mix and you get a nice buffer for furlough fodder.

 

[Fast43]

Easy, since then the furloughed guys have all been called back, so now the west has a 500 or so buffer. (I dont know the exact number of the 1700 furloughed that came back)
add 20 or so poolies, and now new hires to the mix and you get a nice buffer for furlough fodder.

These guys didn't have a job when the list was done and were placed accordingly. If a guy doesn't want to be "furlough fodder".............don't come back.

Oh wait how silly of me!! Without the merger "IF" he was recalled to AAA, it would have been to the bottom. So just exactly how did Nic adversely affect what was going to happen to a furloughed guy.