USAJet Unionized

[olderpilot]

usa jet

:mad If you get laid off at USA Jet...you may or may not get your job back...if u kiss butt...probably.. in their opinion if you have a bad attitude forget it. They need a union...if nothing more to guarantee a pay raise, guaranteed days off and a seniority number that means something. Amen

 

[captxxx]

Is it IBT-Airline Division or ALPA?(IBT=Teamsters)

 

[Xfr8dog]

Its UAW.





And i really gotta change that avatar before someone thinks im making a political statement instead of being just being "funny"!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Xfr8dog:

Next to the Pope peaking at porn that is the funniest avatar I've ever seen on these boards.

 

[Xfr8dog]

Glad someone likes it

 

[pilotyip]

Pensions

Check out the thread on LLC Retirment plans. I never saw the word pension in any of the responses. But the UAW is telling the USA Jet pilots to vote us in to represent you and we will get you a pension. Any comment from anyone on how the pension plans worked out at EAL, Braniff, etc.? Any comment from anyone who had a pension at a Bankrupt company and how much they got? Must be pensions are a thing of the past, but then again so is the the UAW. They can draw upon their great knowledge of the Aviation Business to build a blockbuster package for the USA Jet pilots, and thereby setting a precedent to reestablish pensions for everyone. Merry Christmas, isn't America Great. Good seeing your name in print AW, how come I was never contacted for my input. How come FK, DF, CR, JW, RN, MB, GT, HR, etc. etc. were never contacted on input.

 

[Wiggums]

Does USAJet have any kind of retirement right now such as 401k with matching?

 

[nightrider]

You need a union because Ray Mundt and the rest of the scum there are basically a bunch of sorry cocksuckers. You can depend on them to do the wrong thing 98% of the time. They won't do the right things on their own so vote in a union and make them do the right thing.

Before you open your mouth, before going to the majors I flew for USA jet, Grand Aire, and Reliant. So I do know what I am talking about.

Good luck
Nightrider

 

[580driver]

Re: Pensions

Check out the thread on LLC Retirment plans. I never saw the word pension in any of the responses. But the UAW is telling the USA Jet pilots to vote us in to represent you and we will get you a pension. Any comment from anyone on how the pension plans worked out at EAL, Braniff, etc.? Any comment from anyone who had a pension at a Bankrupt company and how much they got? Must be pensions are a thing of the past, but then again so is the the UAW.

Ex-EAL and current Freight Dog here. I supported ALPA all the way in '89 during the strike...ended up with $.50 on the dollar for my pension. And it took 10 years to get that much. Once everyone knew it was the end, a moratorium was put on lump sum distributions, since all who were left wanted their money, and they couldn't liquidate assets of the fund fast enought to pay everyone ..so they doled it out a little at a time. Of course, the share values declined and were worth less as time went on, so you never knew how much was left to come to you. Smart guys who saw the writing on the wall, and left before the bankruptcy, got all of theirs.

I feel Unions are a necessary evil in our country. Wouldn't it be great, if everyone could just act a adults, and we wouldn't need them. Don't fall into the fallacy, that they are all powerful, national brotherhood, etc. Your ultimate "big stick" is still withdrawing your services, and if you so choose, you are really on your own...make sure that's understood before you leave the cockpit. As was mentioned before in this post, I received no help from ALPA in finding another job, retraining, etc. Ended up out of aviation for 11 years. (But at least, they still send me their Magazine!)

Best of luck to you USA guys....you have a tough choice..

 

[cruxx@9]

Holy Wha eh!

Wow! Thanks for all the support everyone! I don't know how many of ya'll have ever been through a union process. This being my first one, I have to tell you it is somewhat stressful. The funny thing is, the more the company tries to intimidate everyone, the less respect the pilots have for them. And those union counselors they brought in, "the goons", have done more to consolidate the pilot ranks than the union ever could have. My hope is that the powers that be at USA Jet realize this is a matter ensuring respect for the pilot force and not a fiscal attack on the company. Doesn't management always say, "it's not personal, just business."

I'm sure most of the management staff have contracts ensuring their compensation packages. Why should we allow them to impose less for those of us who bring the bulk of the revenue into the company?

My hope remains that the negotiating teams maintain a reasonable & productive attitude towards each other. And in so doing, put an end to the adversarial relationship that is presently developing (a preception held mostly by company executives). This should insure a swift and fair conclusion to contract negotiations.

Top management's postion seems to gravitate toward the belief that the pilots want to bankrupt the company. This is neither our goal nor desire. We simply want a forum whereby long-promised and overdue equality of treatment can be addressed.

So, PilotYip are the UAW, or unions in general, things of the past? Obviously not. Granted, when they were formed, by the workers it was to address grossly unfair and inhumane physical treatment of employees. Now, they simply provide a unified voice and collective strength to address the present atmosphere of equally unfair management practices.

If not for the unions, who would be fighting for the workers?

If it weren't for the union stirrings, would our issues even be considered?

I think in your heart of hearts you know the answer to that question...

keep 'em in the green