USAirways (East) pilots prepare for all out war...

[Dizel8]

So go ahead and taunt the East guys like a bunch of children, Westies, but realize that you are only increasing the likelihood that you all will be out looking for jobs.

Now that makes sense, you rather be a number in the uneployment line than a number on the combined list.

 

[Green]

Well with the little bit of new equipment that has come to the east side, I believe the givebacks have come from the east side too. 3 new ETOPS 757, 3 others returned to Lessors. Couple of 190's (with ********************ty pay) and now there's what 7 737's going back. I believe there's more 757 slated to go away too....so ya, new airplanes have come, but old ones have left. The fences, well put them up, and any growth is fair game, but fence off positions from a certain date, and go from there. How would that be limiting your career??? You'd get all the growth out of PHX/LAS. Essentially what you expected. And you'd then share the growth on the east side, which you wouldn't have expected as a stand alone (new destinations to europe planned each year) And if they used the merged seniority list to manage who gets what position on the growth, don't know how that would be limiting your career???

don't hold your breath for fences, they are NOT going to happen. Either deal with it or start over at Delta. All this talk of burning the airline down. If that was going to happen it would have happened after losing multi-million dollar retirements. This is just a drop in the bucket compared to a disapearing pension.

 

[chperplt]

Do most of you realize how idiotic you sound?

You folks sound like a bunch of school girls fighting in the sandbox...

 

[sleeves]

What is wrong with fencing off, or operating seperatly, both operations. Seems to me that preserves both sides future expectations of what they had before the merger. And keeps either side from taking advantage of the other.

This is an idea that could have been brought forward during the process. The award is final, this was not part of the final award, that is what is wrong with it.

 

[FLYLOW22]

"...it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Why not just fence us off till all you dorks retire.

2041. It's a deal.

 

[Green]

Sounds the fences in place might be dropping very soon. Supposedly the age 60 change is being fast tracked and the widebody fences will drop with it. The saving grace for the east is that hardly anybody from the west is interested in bidding east.

 

[Crzipilot]

Sounds the fences in place might be dropping very soon. Supposedly the age 60 change is being fast tracked and the widebody fences will drop with it. The saving grace for the east is that hardly anybody from the west is interested in bidding east.

green you state, hardly anyone is interested in bidding over to the east. But yet you stated in the other thread, why would we agree to fences, when the stagnation on the west is almost ended by the dropping of the seperate certificate fence, and you can take advantage of the growth on the east.....though you might be surprised at the amount of growth. Since the merger was announced, something like 300 positions or more vanished.....How many vanished on the west side???

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Since the merger was announced, something like 300 positions or more vanished.....How many vanished on the west side???

According to the arbitrator about 300 postitions were not realized on the West side because the 19 Airbuses that we were going to get before the merger didn't arrive. That would have created about 300 new positions out west.

Read the arbitrator's integration explaination:

"In addition, at the time of the merger, America West had already taken delivery of 3 A-320's and had firm orders for 19 others, all of which were to be delivered by January 2007, and which, along with attrition, would have produced 300 new America West pilots."

Also:

"Though US Airways was to return 25 aircraft as of the merger date, only 15 were removed from its fleet, the remaining ten taken from the West. US Airways also expanded its international flying, aquired three more B757's, and was taking on more Embraers. These factors, together with a relaxation of consessionary work rules, have brought the first US Airways recalls since 2001, with 300 having returned and more to follow. When a combined contract, now in negotiation, is finally achieved, those returnees, aswell as those presently flying the A320 and B737, the bulk of the combined fleet, will recieve substantial wage increases even if that contract does no more than continue the present America West rates for those aircraft."

And:

"Odell, who expected, based on what went before, a reasonable career progression, is still on the bottom of America West's list, while Colello, the junior active US Airways pilot at the time of the merger, now has 300 working pilots behind him."

Now these are the America West arguements but they are, none the less, facts of the matter.

Crzipilot, be honest, have you even read the arbitrator's explaination?

 

[eaglefly]

Hopefully no one's truly depending on their drunken CEO to do anything...............except maybe slamming his car into a tree, avoiding the pink elephant in his path.

 

[vtwin]

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So go ahead and taunt the East guys like a bunch of children, Westies, but realize that you are only increasing the likelihood that you all will be out looking for jobs.


It's a lot easier for the younger West pilots to start over if needed.

Who the hell is gonna hire a bunch of stuipid crusty old fokkers that just burned down their own house because they didn't get their way ????

Can you say "Welcome to Walmart" - Beyotch !!!


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Another AWA village idiot. East pilots will need a babysitting overide if they ever have to fly with these punks.

 

[Carl S.]

VTwit, How much longer till recall in the E-190 right seat, year end? It must be tough being on the outside looking in waiting to give out "PEARLS OF AVIATION WISDOM". Where did you end up, high 5000's or low 6000's? I got a high 2000, who's the village idiot?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

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So go ahead and taunt the East guys like a bunch of children, Westies, but realize that you are only increasing the likelihood that you all will be out looking for jobs.


It's a lot easier for the younger West pilots to start over if needed.

Who the hell is gonna hire a bunch of stuipid crusty old fokkers that just burned down their own house because they didn't get their way ????

I love when some rj fag thinks that because he flies for express (probably mesa) he's a mainline pilot! Get back to your stand up's kid. When you get more than 1000 hours, you can talk, until then, STFU!

Can you say "Welcome to Walmart" - Beyotch !!!

I bet you're quite good at saying that sport!

 

[vtwin]

VTwit, How much longer till recall in the E-190 right seat, year end? It must be tough being on the outside looking in waiting to give out "PEARLS OF AVIATION WISDOM". Where did you end up, high 5000's or low 6000's? I got a high 2000, who's the village idiot?

So you think you got your windfall huh? Too bad it is not going to be worth a rip when the wheels finally come off this thing. You will be the one looking for another job when the place implodes over your victorius integration award blaming us as we relish every opportunity to make it happen. Thanks for acknowledging that you could learn from me.

Funny, I don't see much celebrating from your ilk on the board here anymore, why do you think that is? Some fear and trepidation over future job satisfaction maybe?

Yeah right, it is real tough on the outside here looking in at this meltdown from a distance, as the east goes so goes your career. You really screwed yourself hiring on at AWA, what a bright future you have. I am just a name on the list, your the idiot who actually works here, enjoy the ride.

 

[UALjan15]

As a United furloughee at least you can return to UAL and avoid this situation - right?

Oh yeah, because UAL is just the picture of labor harmony right now, right? There are a few thousand guys over there ready to torch their place to the ground, too. Not to mention the "for sale" sign out in front of HQ in Chicago since they left bankruptcy--I just can't wait to do another seniority integration.

Maybe I should fly boxes.....

 

[Scope out RJ's]

VTwit, How much longer till recall in the E-190 right seat, year end?

I don't know carl s, how long before you upgrade from line guy to right seat in the 1900?

It must be tough being on the outside looking in waiting to give out "PEARLS OF AVIATION WISDOM".

Lemme guess, you got hired 2 years ago with 1500 hours and are still paying the local fbo money to sit right seat in their king air!

Where did you end up, high 5000's or low 6000's? I got a high 2000, who's the village idiot?

Based on your profile, I'd say youre the KING of the village idiots sport!

 

[Hpilot]

So you think you got your windfall huh? Too bad it is not going to be worth a rip when the wheels finally come off this thing. You will be the one looking for another job when the place implodes over your victorius integration award blaming us as we relish every opportunity to make it happen. Thanks for acknowledging that you could learn from me.

Funny, I don't see much celebrating from your ilk on the board here anymore, why do you think that is? Some fear and trepidation over future job satisfaction maybe?

Yeah right, it is real tough on the outside here looking in at this meltdown from a distance, as the east goes so goes your career. You really screwed yourself hiring on at AWA, what a bright future you have. I am just a name on the list, your the idiot who actually works here, enjoy the ride.

I've been kind of wondering why when I talk to ACTIVE East pilots they're professional and there's no hint of "burn the mother down". I'm not sure how you're going to hurt the company when you don't work here. Do us all a favor both East and West and don't accept a recall.

 

[BoilerUP]

I think its amusing that a group as large as US Airways is even considering to decertify ALPA and going to IBT. Considering that RAH pilots tried (but failed) to takeover IBT 747 and boot out Gene Sowell last year should be telling...but hey at least its an option for the threat, right?

 

[eaglefly]

I don't know carl s, how long before you upgrade from line guy to right seat in the 1900?

Lemme guess, you got hired 2 years ago with 1500 hours and are still paying the local fbo money to sit right seat in their king air!


Based on your profile, I'd say youre the KING of the village idiots sport!

A lot of hostility, rage and anger.

You'll soon either collapse of a heart attack or blow your brains out.

I'd enjot the next year or two, because it seems that's all you've got left.

 

[bigtexpilot]

Two financially sh**ty companies, one in bankruptcy the other soon to follow. Yes I know that the "west" side will disagree with that as strongly as the "east" side will say they wouldn't have liquidated. It doesn't really matter they were both financially and market challenged airlines that needed each other to exist. Unfortunately all the dynamics involved with a merger, labor being one of the biggest obstacles, will eventually lead to the pre-merger inevitability. Both airlines disappearing for the betterment of industry.

Have another toke.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Another AWA village idiot. East pilots will need a babysitting overide if they ever have to fly with these punks.

You're not gonna talk to me like this when you're my FO, are you?