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HighSpeedClimb

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AIRLINES: US Airways offers its pilots a 10% raise

05/26/2007

US Airways Group Inc., the seventh-largest U.S. carrier, proposed a new contract for its pilots that it said would raise pay an average 10 percent and cost the company $122 million a year.

The offer would move all pilots from US Airways and America West Holdings Corp., which merged in 2005, to the higher pay scales of America West. It also would raise the America West wage scale by 3 percent. Pilots would get increases ranging from 3 percent to 17 percent, the carrier said Friday.
 
Not nearly enough. Bringing the east up to our scale and then thinking that nearly 2000 pilots in the West would agree to a 3% increase with no extra funding of 401K.

Out-freakin'-rageous.
 
Not nearly enough. Bringing the east up to our scale and then thinking that nearly 2000 pilots in the West would agree to a 3% increase with no extra funding of 401K.

Out-freakin'-rageous.

What if Parker agreed to lobby for a discount on Wild Turkey for AWA pilots ?

Not from his own stash, of course.............................
 
I guess the 2000 extra seniority numbers you scored didnt go as far as he thought it would. I guess you want a 40% bump to go along with your windfall? Dream on.
 
Perhaps Parker could fund some of the wage increase through his own $14 million windfall... Sure, he deserved it - just look at the integration of the two airlines including the great, problem-free reservation system. Too bad Delta wasn't added to the mix too... What a joke!
 
I guess the 2000 extra seniority numbers you scored didnt go as far as he thought it would. I guess you want a 40% bump to go along with your windfall? Dream on.

no sh1t, the majority East guys should vote this in just to piss off the West.
 
I hope to God you're kidding LearLove. Willfully vote in a far less than industry standard pay package? That's not going to happen.

Their idea of "comprehensive" was pathetic...anyone who read their propasal would know that.
 
no sh1t, the majority East guys should vote this in just to piss off the West.

Unfortunately, this viewpoint is pretty pervasive in the East. I've spoken with a bunch of the East pilots in the hotel van, at gates, etc. and most are way pi$$ed.... Especially those former MDA E-170 pilots at the very bottom of the totem pole. Those negative feelings run deep.
 
I flew back to MIA on USAir after repositioning a plane and one of their flight attendants said to me after I asked her about the situation "how dare the America West pilots think that they can do this to our pilots." Sounds like some great unity there guys.
 
no sh1t, the majority East guys should vote this in just to piss off the West.

Trust me Lear, Westies are already pissed. I'll bet the fist fights are just a layover away. I see many broken hips in the future.
 
I guess the 2000 extra seniority numbers you scored didnt go as far as he thought it would. I guess you want a 40% bump to go along with your windfall? Dream on.

2000 number on paper only. Really, how many losers are still waiting 5 years later, (after 2-3 years of service) for that sh*t carrier to work out? Jr. AmWest pilots are still Jr. Jr. AAA pilots are still Jr. It's nobody on the West Side's fault that the East's Careers have been the very definition of disasterous. You can't force your cancer onto somebody else.
 
I guess the 2000 extra seniority numbers you scored didnt go as far as he thought it would. I guess you want a 40% bump to go along with your windfall? Dream on.


Damn, was there a windfall?? I must have missed it seeing as how my relative position fell 3% Hmmm yeah really big windfall there:rolleyes:

WD.
 
I guess the 2000 extra seniority numbers you scored didnt go as far as he thought it would. I guess you want a 40% bump to go along with your windfall? Dream on.

Could you or someone please explain in precise terms how this "Windfall" is occurring. I truly would like to know, no sarcasm at all. I truly want to know. An unemotional plain talk explaination of how merger policy as applied (ie no DOH or LOS arguements as they are not in the policy) and explained in the award, led to a windfall.

Has a windfall actually occurred or are the east guys just saying that because the cranky PHL-PIT guys said to. Have those that proclaim a windfall has occurred, actually read the merger policy and the Award as explained by the Arbitrator.

Not trying to fire anybody up, just asking honest questions.
 
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no sh1t, the majority East guys should vote this in just to piss off the West.

There you go again, typing without knowing the facts. You are wrong again. However the west guys could choose to vote no and prevent the east guys from getting anywhere near where they deserve their wages to be.

Conversely if they vote no to a good looking contract, should one show up, just to spite us. It would kinda shoot themselves in the foot. Unless they are enjoying bankruptcy wages and such.

I believe most will vote with their wallets.
 
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I flew back to MIA on USAir after repositioning a plane and one of their flight attendants said to me after I asked her about the situation "how dare the America West pilots think that they can do this to our pilots."
I would've hoped you'd explained to her that the AWA pilots have done nothing more than agree to the same binding arbitration that the USAir guys did. Blame Nicolau to your heart's content since he's the one who concocted the new seniority list. It's sanctimonious to say the AWA pilots have done anything to the USAir guys.
 
It's sanctimonious to say the AWA pilots have done anything to the USAir guys.

Absolutely. They also need to realize they didn't save USAirways either; this was simply a merger done by big money firms and put together by/because of the financial acumen of the East and the managerial acumen (well, that's what Wall Street thinks anyway) of the West.
 
Absolutely. They also need to realize they didn't save USAirways either; this was simply a merger done by big money firms and put together by/because of the financial acumen of the East and the managerial acumen (well, that's what Wall Street thinks anyway) of the West.

You are correct AWA did not in that context save AAA. Had we been given a choice, 99.9% of us would rather have gone it alone as opposed to what we are dealing with now. ie. the nightmares we had 2 years ago are now still going on after we wake up.

I believe that had this acquisition (called a merger) not happened we would have been done mourning the passing of AAA by now. Unfortunately some have tried to misplace the credit for AAA still being here.
 
You are correct AWA did not in that context save AAA. Had we been given a choice, 99.9% of us would rather have gone it alone as opposed to what we are dealing with now. ie. the nightmares we had 2 years ago are now still going on after we wake up.

I believe that had this acquisition (called a merger) not happened we would have been done mourning the passing of AAA by now. Unfortunately some have tried to misplace the credit for AAA still being here.

Saw this on another web site. Interesting read:

Has there been another filing with the SEC regarding the July Filing that changed the "merger" to an aquisition?

To: The "We Bought You" Bunch

CC: Record

From: Don M. Hollerbach CPA/ABV, CFE, FCPA, CVA, CDFA

Date: 5/12/2007
Re: The Painful Truth—God Forbid—The Truth

Well, gentlemen, here we go again with the ADD group repeatedly trying to reeducate them what the word "Merger" really means. I was going to use a Venn diagram but rejected that pictorial as insulting. What "Merger" means is that there was a marriage and each member of the wedding party brought
something to the union. Granted the groom had a broken leg and the bride had a big old ugly hairy wart on her nose, but it was a marriage nonetheless.

In this case AWA brought their operation, US brought their operation plus financing in the new entity to the tune of $565 million in new equity financing (see highlighted excerpt below). The verbiage below was from the SEC filings and unlike the AWA Merger Committee who asserts that unless their CEO is under Sarbanes Oxley and SEC disclosure constraints lies in everything he says, this excerpt is under such guidelines. So, for the love of God, people, will everyone please get over this "We bought you" mentality? AWA couldn't buy Doug a beer let alone an airline or even the assets of an airline. AWA was burning cash and was headed for Chapter 11……………sorry but AWA had been there before and was going to see the judge again. (Kirby's "Project Zanzibar")

Agreement to Merge with Subsidiary of U.S. Airways Group.

On May 19, 2005, US Airways Group, Holdings and Merger Sub, a wholly
owned subsidiary of US Airways Group, entered into the Merger Agreement. The Merger Agreement provides that, upon the terms and subject to the conditions set forth in the Merger Agreement, Merger Sub will merge with and into Holdings, with Holdings continuing as the surviving corporation. The merger is expected to create the first full-service airline with the consumer-friendly pricing structure of a low-fare carrier.

In the merger, holders of Holdings Class A common stock will receive 0.5362 of a share of new US Airways Group common stock for each share of Holdings Class A common stock they own, and holders of Holdings Class B common stock will receive 0.4125 of a share of new US Airways Group common stock for each share of Holdings Class B common stock they own, on the terms specified in the Merger Agreement. The merger is one of a series of transactions that require the approval of the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division, in the pending bankruptcy proceeding of US Airways Group and its domestic subsidiaries. The other transactions that must be approved by the bankruptcy court, as part of a comprehensive plan of reorganization of US Airways Group and its
domestic subsidiaries, include receipt by US Airways Group of new equity
financing concurrently with the merger. US Airways Group has entered
into agreements with new equity investors which have agreed to contribute
a total of $565 million in equity to the reorganized US Airways Group, subject to a variety of conditions, including confirmation of the plan of reorganization and completion of the merger. The merger is a key component of the plan of reorganization and is also conditioned upon, among other things, the receipt of at least $375 million from these equity investors. The plan of reorganization contemplates the cancellation of existing US Airways Group common stock and the issuance of new shares of reorganized US Airways Group upon emergence from the bankruptcy proceedings and in connection with the merger.

On June 30, 2005, US Airways Group filed the plan of reorganization and its related disclosure statement with the Bankruptcy Court. Assuming that US Airways Group receives $565 million in equity financing at the effective time of the merger, we expect that former America West Holdings stockholders will hold approximately 37% of new US Airways Group common stock outstanding immediately following the merger. Certain former US Airways Group creditors and new equity investors as a group will hold approximately 11% and 52%,
respectively, of new US Airways Group common stock outstanding immediately following the merger. In each case, those percentages are subject to dilution as a result of any additional equity issuances, including as a result of the proposed rights offering discussed below, and are subject to
certain assumptions concerning the likely exchange of certain convertible
debt and securities that are dilutive at the per share purchase price paid by the equity investors for new US Airways Group common stock shortly after
the merger. The merger cannot be completed unless Holdings' stockholders adopt the merger agreement and approve the merger. The obligations of
Holdings and US Airways Group to complete the merger are also subject
to the satisfaction or waiver of several other conditions, including clearance from regulatory agencies.

On June 23, 2005, the U.S. Department of Justice notified Holdings and US Airways that the Department has completed its review of the proposed merger of the two airlines and that the waiting period under the Hart-Scott Rodino AntitrustImprovements Act of 1976 will expire without a formal request from the Department for additional information.

--Source AMERICA WEST AIRLINES INC Form 10-Q on 07/21/05
 
I flew back to MIA on USAir after repositioning a plane and one of their flight attendants said to me after I asked her about the situation "how dare the America West pilots think that they can do this to our pilots." Sounds like some great unity there guys.

Keep in mind you're hearing this from another dip-sh*t "safety professional"
 

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