USAIR East Pilots not alone.

[terryhfly]

Hypothetically speaking here. If SWA and Airtran go to mediation and the Airtran pilots get basically a 3:1 ratio over SWA pilots how do think the SWA pilots will act? The three Airtran pilots above each SWA pilot were hired at Airtran over two years after each SWA pilot was hired at SWA. I am sure they would just say "Well it's binding arbitration so that sucks for us." Not that this will happen but what if it does?

 

[MCDU]

Hypothetically speaking here. If SWA and Airtran go to mediation and the Airtran pilots get basically a 3:1 ratio over SWA pilots how do think the SWA pilots will act? The three Airtran pilots above each SWA pilot were hired at Airtran over two years after each SWA pilot was hired at SWA. I am sure they would just say "Well it's binding arbitration so that sucks for us." Not that this will happen but what if it does?

Good point. SWA will not accept it and would fight it with all means.

M

 

[Lampshade]

Crybaby alert^

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Fubijaakr or jack$$, or whatever your name is. Maybe Frontier is considered mainline because they fly narrow body mainline jets under their own brand and exceed the billion dollar revenue threshold to be considered a Major Airline under the DOT definition. But whatever hate you can spew out to sate your inferiority complex will work fine too.

I was thinking the same thing...if Frontier isn't mainline, then neither is VA, SWA, Airtran...

You guys are getting your terms mixed up. Majors just mean that a brand exceeds $1 Billion in revenue. Mainline doesn't mean much of anything from that standpoint.

In fact SWA has no feed so using the term Mainline or even regional is pointless. There is no mainline SWA. It is only Southwest.

 

[becket]

Good point. SWA will not accept it and would fight it with all means.

HA! Only USCAPA is dumb enough to lead their minority group of blind followers down that path. Binding means BINDING. FIGHTING IT , (especially when you're the lowest compensated major airline pilot group in the last 4 decades) is a fools errand.

 

[cactusboy53]

These are the lawsuits pilots have to deal with when the gold standard DOH was abandoned by some pilot groups. All the DOH integrations work themselves out.Just wait til the SWA AAI goes down. Atlas and Polar are still separate. Abandoning DOH was opening up pandoras box.

M

Time for a little re-edumucation, Marty? In the past 15+ years there have been ZERO merged pilot seniority lists done. In fact, the ALPA Merger policy (in the form that it was in May 2005) was largely done by and for US Air. Oh, BTW.....according to an internet search the current Frontier airlines was founded in 1994. Republic / Chautauqua was founded in 1973. That tells me that if DOH had been used, the Republic pilots may have had an ever greater advantage (seniority-wise).

If you really want DOH that bad, you'll need to strap on that apron and start doing safety demos with the kids in the back of the airplane (or join some other labor that uses that premise for merging lists).

Final is final. Binding is binding. The only thing that litigation buys is delay. It costs money to do. It cost and diverts money away from an improved contract. Go pedal your gold standard to someone else. The Nicolau award is the completed product of an approved integration. PERIOD.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Maybe Frontier is considered mainline because they fly narrow body mainline jets under their own brand and exceed the billion dollar revenue threshold to be considered a Major Airline under the DOT definition.

Perhaps, but what I can't figure out is why 95% of your pilots can't even use your proper radio call sign. BTW its Frontier FLIGHT. You'd think "mainline" pilots would know that.

The call sign Frontier is owned by Frontier Flying Service in Fairbanks, AK.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Majors just mean that a brand exceeds $1 Billion in revenue. Mainline doesn't mean much of anything from that standpoint.

Thank you. That's exactly my point. The term "mainline" is meaningless. No one ever said F9 didn't qualify as a Major. But it seems F9 pilots like to use the term "mainline" to falsely inflate their position vis-a-vis RAH pilots.

In fact SWA has no feed so using the term Mainline or even regional is pointless. There is no mainline SWA. It is only Southwest.

Yep.

 

[bri5150]

Thank you. That's exactly my point. The term "mainline" is meaningless. No one ever said F9 didn't qualify as a Major. But it seems F9 pilots like to use the term "mainline" to falsely inflate their position vis-a-vis RAH pilots.



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Do you work for Republic? How can you say they are the same? Frontier and Republic are not even close to the same type of airline. Republic flies smaller aircraft as a contract for other carriers. Frontier flies bigger aircraft as a stand alone carrier that has their own website, booking system, gates...Republic is what is traditionally called a regional, while Frontier is what is traditionally called a major, national, or LCC. I don't think there is anything "false" about their inflated position. By the way, this is an outsider perspective. I am not employed by either airline, but I do have a preconcieved opinion on how Republic treated the "mainline" carriers they purchased (Midwest and Frontier).

 

[Fubijaakr]

Do you work for Republic? How can you say they are the same? Frontier and Republic are not even close to the same type of airline. Republic flies smaller aircraft as a contract for other carriers. Frontier flies bigger aircraft as a stand alone carrier that has their own website, booking system, gates...Republic is what is traditionally called a regional, while Frontier is what is traditionally called a major, national, or LCC.

Who said they were the same? Not I.

I don't think there is anything "false" about their inflated position. By the way, this is an outsider perspective. I am not employed by either airline, but I do have a preconcieved opinion on how Republic treated the "mainline" carriers they purchased (Midwest and Frontier).

You might be surprised about my opinion. That said, RAH was the acquiring carrier in both instances and the infer that F9 pilots are "mainline" and are therefore somehow superior to RAH pilots is ludicrous.

The SLI is done and the fences are in place. Time to let it go.