US to dump Mesa

[d328pilot]

PHOENIX - More change is expected at US Airways Express.

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http://bannerads.zwire.com/bannerad...p://www.rochestermanorandvilla.com&bdid=42266 Though passengers might not notice, alliances being forged, renewed and broken in the airline industry will change which regional operator is flying for major airlines.

On Monday, the chief executive officer of Mesa Air Group, a regional carrier flying largely for US Airways and America West, said he anticipated that US Airways will end its contract in bankruptcy court and those 50-plus planes have been allocated to other airlines.

In a conference call with investment analysts on Monday, Mesa CEO Jonathan Ornstein said he expected US Airways to drop Mesa's contracts in bankruptcy court and have Air Wisconsin fly up to 70 planes as US Airways Express.

 

[Flash]

Finally, some positive news!

 

[PGTB]

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[d328pilot]

link

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14538533&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478569&rfi=6

 

[BlackPilot628]

Finally, some positive news!

I SECOND THAT!

 

[CitationLover]

ah yes and we know CHQ is the cats meow!!

 

[Truckdriver]

Finally, some positive news!

And why would this be positive news? You must be one of those guys who isn't too sharp and actually thinks that MESA pilots decide on what contracts to bid on and what block hour rates to charge airline partners. MESA pilots stopped Freedom which is quite possible the ONLY good thing any regional airline has done since 9/11. An airline losing a contract with a major partner is not really good news in my book. I hope everything works out for the MESA employees who will be displaced. I hope that something like this never happens to you.

 

[BlackPilot628]

And why would this be positive news? You must be one of those guys who isn't too sharp and actually thinks that MESA pilots decide on what contracts to bid on and what block hour rates to charge airline partners. MESA pilots stopped Freedom which is quite possible the ONLY good thing any regional airline has done since 9/11. An airline losing a contract with a major partner is not really good news in my book. I hope everything works out for the MESA employees who will be displaced. I hope that something like this never happens to you.

You are exactly right. I wish the Air Shuttle guys the best of luck as well. Because it is not their fault

 

[kmox29]

MESA pilots stopped Freedom which is quite possible the ONLY good thing any regional airline has done since 9/11.

Mesaba stopped Big Sky. Not nearly as treacherous as Freedom, but was still used as a major threat to our livelihood. They had poor pay rates, bad work rules, a 7 year contract, and a no strike clause. We were constantly told Big Sky would grow and we would shrink.

 

[Flash]

And why would this be positive news? You must be one of those guys who isn't too sharp and actually thinks that MESA pilots decide on what contracts to bid on and what block hour rates to charge airline partners. MESA pilots stopped Freedom which is quite possible the ONLY good thing any regional airline has done since 9/11. An airline losing a contract with a major partner is not really good news in my book. I hope everything works out for the MESA employees who will be displaced. I hope that something like this never happens to you.

The dull pencil calling me not too sharp. Read the whole post. It says that the airplanes have been re allocated to other contracts already. I have not seen a thread yet that says "Mesa pilots furloughed." You also must have a defend Mesa mentality. I purposely didn't say the reason why it was good news, which is that the Air Wisconsin pilots have work now, an airline that has maintained the bar for others to follow!

 

[ERfly]

I SECOND THAT!

And how much are you flying that 70 seater for?

 

[DoinTime]

I wonder if this includes Air Midwest flying. The article only mentions the RJ's but JO seems to indicate he is totaly divesting USAirways.

 

[ERfly]

If I recall, most of Air Midwest's routes are EAS. Even if he doesn't have a banner, he can still fly the routes as Mesa.

 

[sabreliner]

Yeah, great, now we get stuck with them at ASA. Gee, wonder what mgmt's position is going to be at the next round of negotiations? "Well guys, the Mesa pilots will fly for peanuts, so in order to be competitive..."

Great...I left Allegheny to get AWAY from this sort of virus, and it followed me!!

 

[FlyComAirJets]

We must be CRAZY offering ASA and CMR at these rock bottom prices!

Probably looking too far down the road on this but I wouldn't fret too much about Mesa. They have already allocated 60 RJs to UAL and DAL. If they lose their contract with U, they'll get it right back when (or if) America West and USAirways merge. Although AWA wants to limit further growth of the big RJs, there must 20 to 30 CRJ900s flying their code now.

All it means to me is that they didn't cough up enough cash to 'buy' the feed. They wont make that mistake next time. I think that DAL wants to set up a Pay-to-Feed bidding war between Chautauqua, Mesa, ExpressJet, and maybe a few more for ASA and Comair.

 

[BlackPilot628]

And how much are you flying that 70 seater for?

Well has an FO 21.52/Hr . Second year 28.52/Hr

 

[ERfly]

It was a rhetorical question. There are operators out there paying guys more to fly 50 seaters.

 

[Flechas]

Well has an FO 21.52/Hr . Second year 28.52/Hr

Pathetic...

 

[crashpad]

$30/hr seems pretty good for learning to fly a jet and build time.

 

[BlackPilot628]

That is very true! I can't argue with that.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Well has an FO 21.52/Hr . Second year 28.52/Hr

Pretty Sad

 

[FDJ2]

Finally, some positive news!

Where do you think those 50 aircraft are heading?

 

[BlackPilot628]

$30/hr seems pretty good for learning to fly a jet and build time.

I really not compaining yet.

I'm just happy to be employed and I'm making a little more than I did at Corpex.
I'm sure when I upgrade I will care a lot more about the pay scales; although I do keep a close eye on them now .

 

[Traderd]

$30/hr seems pretty good for learning to fly a jet and build time.

At least twice as good as paying $30/hr, no?

 

[ERfly]

I'm sure when I upgrade I will care a lot more about the pay scales; although I do keep a close eye on them now .

I can't believe I just read that! You should care about them now, because as long as people like you and others are willing to put up with those rates for flying a DC-9 equivilant, they're only going to get worse.

 

[BlackPilot628]

I can't believe I just read that! You should care about them now, because as long as people like you and others are willing to put up with those rates for flying a DC-9 equivilant, they're only going to get worse.

I understand that and I do care. But what Can I do about that RIGHT NOW? Nothing, I'm powerless. Once negotiations come up I will be the first person in line to help get the pay adjusted. But, I can't just not work or walk up to the CEO and ask him for a raise.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I find it amusing how every single regional pilot bashes each other about taking low pay rates, when not more than 2 to 8 years ago, every single one of you were pi$$ing your pants to go fly a shiny new jet for $20 bucks an hour. Trying to pi$$ on someone now for doing the SAME EXACT THING you did a couple of years ago is really stupid.

 

[I.P. Freley]

the Air Wisconsin pilots have work now, an airline that has maintained the bar for others to follow!

Amazing how some companies get allll the credit. This is not the first time I've read how AWAC has kept the bar high and blah blah blah, but aside from FO rates they are only slightly better than Mesa.... Using 50-seat captain rates, just picking years 3,5 and 8, AWAC pays $2, $1, and $2/hr more, respectively.

And this is MESA we're talking about here, you know, the airline everyone loves to hate. Doesn't look like AWAC pays all that well after all, and I certainly wouldn't call it "maintaining the bar".

 

[BoilerUP]

Dude, settle down.

Corpex has been a go-nowhere hole since 9/11; I know because I worked there. The best guys and gals in the business with nowhere to take their experience, no longevity pay increase, and shatty pay (both seats) at that. That pilot group has been beaten and abused, and its good to see people pay their dues in the j-ball and move on. That being said...

CHQ first officer pay sucks. Its better than alot of other places, and I want to be there just like you, but the pay still sucks. Don't justify it by saying you are just "building time". You are to be flying an airplane with a MTOW of what, 80K+ with 70 people on board...you aren't "building time anymore". That's for CFIs, parachute jumpers and traffic watch pilots.

You should care about the pay scales NOW, because in 12 months you'll be off probation and in 2007 the contract comes up. There's a good possiblity that you won't have upgraded by then, or maybe you will have gotten lucky and will have. Are you willing to fight for a fair FO wage then, or will you say "I lived off it, so you should too"? Will you be wrapped up in big hourly captain pay numbers, or will you make a small sacrifice to help those junior to you?

 

[BlackPilot628]

Are you willing to fight for a fair FO wage then, or will you say "I lived off it, so you should too"? Will you be wrapped up in big hourly captain pay numbers, or will you make a small sacrifice to help those junior to you?

I would be willing to try and get the FO pay up. I could always use more money.Even if I was a capt. I would never forget the FO's that I work beside everyday. Another thing is, I will have to remember that I was an FO at one time and they deserve to be paid better than I was paid. Just like you said, you know how it was flying Right seat at Corpex for 17 bucks an hour, I would still fight to this day to help those guys.