US Regional pilots are suckers?

[Fly4PayNoMore]

If you think that the union/labor friendly environment of Europe is great, think again. Economies like Germany and France have double digit unemployment numbers and the inflation rates are 15% +. You may have a higher wage, but your buying power is eroded every single day. Meanwhile, our average wages ARE up in the time that Bush has been in office, unemployment numbers are at a statistical zero, and inflation is at one of the lowest levels EVER (and it's still below the rate of wage growth)!!

Stop listening to the news, the economy isn't in shambles because auto companies are making layoffs. The unions want higher wages, but in the case of the auto industry, for example, American companies cannot compete; on cost OR quality. What does the American consumer do...they buy Japanese autos, since they can get better quality with a better value for their dollar. Have you ever wondered why service at airline ticket counters sucks? A few years ago, I was flying out of Phoenix on a paid ticket. There were 5 flights leaving, 2 to MSP, 2 to DTW, and 1 to MEM, all in a short time period, due to a weather delay and a maintenance delay. The ticketing counter was a mob scene and two of the ticketing agents walked away from their computers...one looked at his watch and said, "I'm on break." They sat in the doorway, in full view of the mob of passengers for 5 flights, chatting! The only way they got away with that was due to the union mentality, "It's not my job right now, I'm on break." So, considering this, and other factors, why are airlines having trouble making money?

A lot of people put up a lot of money, to take a chance on a business. Some make a lot of money as a result, but a lot of people fail miserably. Historically, pilots have made good money...don't tell me that $100,000+ per year isn't a lot, when you get to the majors. I have known a lot of airline pilots with a ton of cash in the bank. If things have always been so bad, it blows my mind that a pilot group hasn't put some of their own money into a venture, and run an airline on their own with additional outside investment. It CAN be done.

All right, I'm rambling...

 

[BUDDHA145]

US Regional pilots are suckers?

Why do Air Canada Jazz pilots make more money than US regional pilots?
Why is first year pay for an FO 35K at Jazz?
Why do US regional pilots work for peanuts?
Why don’t all regional pilots in the US “call in sick” all on the same day?
Regional pilots in the US need to fight for better pay

Air Canada Jazz Pay

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/canadian/air_canada_jazz.html

So ignorants little kids like you, can fly important buisness, celebrities, and the rich when ever they whant and please dont forget to pick their luggage from their car and put it in the aircraft...thank god I am under pay, and I can barely spell and write, as long I am not working with over paid
teenagers like you...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

They sat in the doorway, in full view of the mob of passengers for 5 flights, chatting! The only way they got away with that was due to the union mentality, "It's not my job right now, I'm on break." So, considering this, and other factors, why are airlines having trouble making money?

A lot of people put up a lot of money, to take a chance on a business. Some make a lot of money as a result, but a lot of people fail miserably. Historically, pilots have made good money...don't tell me that $100,000+ per year isn't a lot, when you get to the majors. I have known a lot of airline pilots with a ton of cash in the bank. If things have always been so bad, it blows my mind that a pilot group hasn't put some of their own money into a venture, and run an airline on their own with additional outside investment. It CAN be done.

All right, I'm rambling...

Not sure where you get your data from. Maybe unionfacts.com (they recently switched from .org to .com? Maybe to don't meet the ".org" status... cause it is just a front with no real non profit value)

I gotta a tell you.... show me a well run company and it doesn't matter if there are unions or not. How about SWA. More unionized than most airlines and thier employees would never take a break when the customers where waiting...

How about this: When a CEO carves himself out a sweet pay package that has nothing.....NOTHING.. to do with performance... why sould an employee bust his tail when he just took paycuts.... only to see those paycuts go to the CEO's wallet!

QUIT blaming unions for poor Corporate Leadership!

What do expect unions to do at Ford and GM and the airlines? Make all the sacrifice all while watching the CEO get FAT off thier efforts all while destroying the company? The solution?

FIX the problem. The biz model is broken! Why is it the Japs can build better cars.. with UNIONIZED AMERICAN labor in the US and the Big Three can't? Doesn't sound like a union problem....

 

[CMI]

BUDDHA145 WTF? Are you drunk?

Why does Air Canada fly EMB 175's and 190's, but Air Canada Jazz does not?
Maybe they are not prostituting themselves like the US Regional Pilots are.
And don’t tell me that a company cannot pay their pilots more. Their would be no airline industry without pilots! Seems to me US regional pilots have a bad case of Coprophagia!

 

[Jack Mahogoff]

Canada isn't a real country anyway...

Also, aren't they the ones responsible for Bryan Adams?!

Anyone?

 

[taildragerpilot]

US Regional pilots are suckers?

Why do Air Canada Jazz pilots make more money than US regional pilots?
Why is first year pay for an FO 35K at Jazz?
Why do US regional pilots work for peanuts?
Why don’t all regional pilots in the US “call in sick” all on the same day?
Regional pilots in the US need to fight for better pay

Air Canada Jazz Pay

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/canadian/air_canada_jazz.html

why do morons like this not know the difference between canadian and US dollars?

and yeah, i like the 8 year upgrade, too.

 

[CMI]

[SIZE=+1]1 Canadian dollar = 0.846381718 U.S. dollars
35K Canadian = 29,623.3 US Dollars
It is still more money than you would make as a first year FO!
You Sir are a sucker![/SIZE]

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Us fellow republicans would like to thank you for you previous support and look forward to you keeping the next generation of Clintons out of the White House. They're the reason we're in this mess.

yeah pal that is the reason we are in this mess. it has nothing to do with the very wealthy owning ALL politiciansand media in one way or another or international banks and corporations that basically decide where the wealth and prosperity will happen.
You think you live in a democracy? BWAAAA HAAA HAAAA
The Rebublicrats thank You for Your cooperation you may now return to your regular scheduled programming

 

[n32jk]

Us fellow republicans would like to thank you for you previous support and look forward to you keeping the next generation of Clintons out of the White House. They're the reason we're in this mess.

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Surely this is flame bait....... this crap hasn't been so bad for pilots since Ronny Ray-Gun was in office and lorenzo was raping and pillaging......

 

[n32jk]

why do morons like this not know the difference between canadian and US dollars?

and yeah, i like the 8 year upgrade, too.

I know the difference..... the canadian dollars come in more pretty colors and strippers get really pissed off thinking you gave them play money

 

[insomniac99]

I know the difference..... the canadian dollars come in more pretty colors and strippers get really pissed off thinking you gave them play money

you are a real class act.

 

[insomniac99]

So ignorants little kids like you, can fly important buisness, celebrities, and the rich when ever they whant and please dont forget to pick their luggage from their car and put it in the aircraft...thank god I am under pay, and I can barely spell and write, as long I am not working with over paid
teenagers like you...

hey moron, read his profile he's not flying rich people around like your little wet dream there. he is a freight dog which means he flys cargo not people. you are a reactionary tool!

 

[CMI]

I hear if you use Loonies at a strip club there they get mad.

 

[fastback]

yeah pal that is the reason we are in this mess. it has nothing to do with the very wealthy owning ALL politiciansand media in one way or another or international banks and corporations that basically decide where the wealth and prosperity will happen.
You think you live in a democracy? BWAAAA HAAA HAAAA
The Rebublicrats thank You for Your cooperation you may now return to your regular scheduled programming

I for one am thankful that the United States is not a democracy.

 

[JoeMerchant]

US Regional pilots are suckers?

Why do Air Canada Jazz pilots make more money than US regional pilots?
Why is first year pay for an FO 35K at Jazz?
Why do US regional pilots work for peanuts?
Why don’t all regional pilots in the US “call in sick” all on the same day?
Regional pilots in the US need to fight for better pay

Air Canada Jazz Pay

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/canadian/air_canada_jazz.html

And now for the rest of the story.....

Did you also notice that their 15 year 90 seat captain rate is $99 CAN. per hour and that they have a single rate just like Skywest. They obviously put more money into the the FO rates and took the money from the captain rates.

 

[fastback]

I gotta a tell you.... show me a well run company and it doesn't matter if there are unions or not.

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QUIT blaming unions for poor Corporate Leadership!

Rez, here are a couple of examples of the "union mentality" I think F4PNM was talking about, taken from another thread on this board. I agree with you though, corporate leadership in general is not very inspiring, especially in the airline industry.

Have you ever called the airport or the traffic in sight when it was still a bit hazy? Have you ever overlooked a maintenance discrepancy at an outstation just to get the thing home on the fredom leg? Have you ever taxied fast to make up time? Have you ever deviated from the published and FAA required profiles in our manuals?

We will never get a contract until our pilots stop doing the company favors!

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
:angryfire

 

[n32jk]

you are a real class act.

I have a sense of humor also!

 

[insomniac99]

I have a sense of humor also!

I use sarcasm!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, here are a couple of examples of the "union mentality" I think F4PNM was talking about, taken from another thread on this board. I agree with you though, corporate leadership in general is not very inspiring, especially in the airline industry.

Fastback...the two quotes that you have referenced deal with unorganized and de-centralized events. If the union were to organize such activities they might have to prove it wasn't illegal.....

Here is an article...

Ford CEO discusses Ford's future, the UAW and Toyota

January 4, 2007
By SARAH A. WEBSTER
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER
Ford Motor Co. will replace or significantly upgrade its entire lineup of domestic Ford, Mercury and Lincoln vehicles by 2010, CEO Alan Mulally told a group of journalists during a private dinner in the company's Dearborn design studio Wednesday night.
That's an update from previous projections that Ford would update 70% of that lineup by 2008.
"We're really excited about it," Mulally said. "There's no reason why we can't really build cars and trucks that people really do prefer."

The earnest new executive sat between two of his lieutenants -- Derrick Kuzak, the new global product development chief at Ford, and Mark Fields, Ford's president of the Americas -- during the dinner.

The event was held in advance of next week's auto show in Detroit to give an update on the state of the ailing automaker as it heads into one of the most difficult years in its history.

Ford turns 104 years old this year and, aside from contract talks with the UAW, the automaker is projecting a decline in car and truck sales, negative cash flow and worse financial results this year than in 2006. Ford lost $7 billion through September and is expected to close out last year with as much as $10.5 billion in losses.

To get back on track, Ford is executing its Way Forward turnaround plan, which will eliminate 44,000 salaried and hourly jobs, close 16 plants and freshen its lineup. Under that plan, Ford is aiming for a small profit by 2009.

To get through the tough times, Ford recently put together a $25.45-billion financing deal that uses nearly all the automaker's assets, including its plants and trademarks such as the blue oval, as collateral.

But this high-stakes, drawn-out turnaround plan has led some experts to conclude that Ford's situation is the most delicate among Detroit's automakers. Several of those experts have said the Ford family might lose control of the company to lenders if the big financing gamble doesn't pay off or eventually file for bankruptcy.

Mulally, though, made it clear that the Ford board -- and especially the Ford family -- supported the financing deal. The Ford family has two voting and one non-voting seat on the board. Executive Chairman Bill Ford and his cousin Edsel Ford have a full seat on the board, while William Clay Ford is director emeritus and can attend meetings.

"They couldn't have been more supportive," Mulally said. "It starts with the board."

He said Ford was making great progress toward integrating its engineering systems around the world, which are used to design and manufacture new products, and he suggested that Ford would have a deal to sell its ultra-luxury brand Aston Martin by the end of 2007.

He also talked about his approach to the UAW and contract talks.

"I respect the union," Mulally said. "I'm not after the union. The only thing I care about is the competitiveness of Ford. ... We need to improve our competitiveness, and we need to do it together."

But one issue kept coming up: Toyota Motor Corp., and Mulally's profound admiration for the Japanese company that keeps conquering customers and market share worldwide.

"I've learned a lot from them," said Mulally, a longtime airline executive who is new to the auto industry.

Mulally recently met with Toyota executives in Japan for about two hours, an exchange that sparked off speculation around the world about whether the two companies might work together in some new way in the future. Mulally said the session was part of a meet-and-greet tour he's been conducting with all of the world's automakers, and he's already met with General Motors Corp., DaimlerChrysler AG and BMW. He said he's still trying to get an appointment with Honda.

Mulally said Ford and Toyota talked about a variety of mutual interests and noted that Ford is always looking at areas for collaboration, "especially advanced technologies," he said.

During the more than 2-hour dinner, Mulally was candid in his assessment of Ford's situation and strategies.

Mulally said he "liked Zephyr," before it was renamed "MKZ," and expressed his thoughts on how well Detroit has dealt with competition from overseas.
The situation, he noted, "has been going on for a lot of years -- not like four -- like 45," he emphasized.

Fields was also brutally honest during the session, noting how Ford did not hit its target to stabilize or improve market share for 2006.

"We didn't achieve that," he said.

Still, he said that 2006 was a productive year for the company and Ford has laid the groundwork for its turnaround plan.

"Despite the numbers, last year was a year of significant progress for us," he said. "It's like building a house. We built the foundation last year."

Contact SARAH A. WEBSTER at 313-222-5394 or [email protected].
Copyright © 2006 Detroit Free Press Inc.

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[jonjuan]

I know the difference..... the canadian dollars come in more pretty colors and strippers get really pissed off thinking you gave them play money

Don't you mean "Bongo Bucks?" They are funny looking....