US major airline pay perspective

[IBNAV8R]

"...have you seen the WOMEN over there?"

Yeah, they're mean and fat, don't shave their armpits, and smell bad.

Yeah, but those aren't the ones they have for flight attendants.

 

[Max Powers]

Max,
Just so you know and can stop using incorrect data, the infant mortality rates are a complete sham. Every country is allowed to define an "infant". In the US, if the fetus takes one breath, it is a "newborn" and despite spending months or weeks in NICU, if it dies, it is a stat. Since we have so much more technology than most of the world, we apply it to saving seemingly desperate cases that would not be counted in most nations.

Most nations say a "baby" has to make it to full gestation and live before it is a statistic, that way a baby that has many problems that they don't even have the tech to save aren't counted against them.

Some third world countries don't count an infant as a life birth until after more time, etc.....

read about it on the internet or from the CDC.

Once again a pilot proves his stupidity....Infant mortality stats are kept the same way here as they are in Norway, Sweeden, England, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Germany etc etc. Have you ever heard of a Nosologist????? Nosologist keep these UNBIASED stats and report them yearly. USA is 173 at 5.6 death per a thousand with 215 singapore the best 2.09.

As you can see we are not number one....SHOCKER....who is above us and number one - countries who have heavy govt. involvement in health care.

Sorry to bring facts and scientific measures, into the debate, from people smarter than ourselves. How unfox news of me.

On a high note we do beat Guam by .04 dead babies per a thousand.

5,64 172
Guam5,60 173
United States5,55 174
Belarus5,36 175
Lithuania5,13 176
Cuba5,09 177
Taiwan5,04 178
European Union5,02 179
Cyprus4,98 180
Italy4,91 181
San Marino4,88 182
Wallis and Futuna4,75 183
Canada4,69 184
Greece4,62 185
Isle of Man4,58 186
Luxembourg4,55 187
Ireland4,54 188
Australia4,40 189
Jersey4,34 190
Denmark4,29 190
Portugal4,29 191
United Kingdom4,28 192
Gibraltar4,27 192
New Zealand4,27 193
Monaco4,19 193
Netherlands4,19 194
Israel4,05 195
Korea, South4,02 196
Guernsey3,93 197
Belgium3,87 198
Spain3,80 199
Andorra3,74 200
Switzerland3,68 201
Slovenia3,65 202
Germany3,55 203
Czech Republic3,43 204
Austria3,41 205
Malta3,27 206
Norway3,22 207
Finland3,15 208
Iceland3,08 209
Macau3,05 209
Anguilla3,05 210
France2,99 211
Liechtenstein2,95 212
Hong Kong2,73 213
Sweden2,58 213
Japan2,58 214
Bermuda2,35 215
Singapore2,09

 

[Max Powers]

Once again these stats are kept through Nosogolists, which get there info from Boring old Death Certificates, which are filled out by Doctors. So please don't come back with some Fox news conspiracy. But as you can see with our world best health care we are only 42 in the world. Pretty sad for insurance of 7300k per person compared to their 3000k or less.

1
Macau81,39 2
Andorra80,33 3
Singapore79,37 4
Australia79,25 5
Hong Kong79,16 6
Japan78,80 7
Canada78,69 8
Israel78,62 9
Sweden78,59 10
Iceland78,53 10
San Marino78,53 11
New Zealand78,43 12
Anguilla78,11 13
Switzerland78,03 14
Cayman Islands77,80 15
France77,79 16
Guernsey77,76 17
Gibraltar77,30 18
Norway77,29 19
Italy77,26 20
Jersey77,23 21
Malta77,21 22
Bermuda77,20 23
Greece77,11 24
Faroe Islands77,00 25
Netherlands76,80 26
Spain76,74 27
Saint Pierre and Miquelon76,69 28
Austria76,60 29
Liechtenstein76,59 30
United Kingdom76,52 31
Kuwait76,51 32
Jordan76,34 33
Monaco76,30 34
Germany76,26 35
Luxembourg76,07 36
Belgium76,06 37
British Virgin Islands76,03 38
Virgin Islands76,02 39
Denmark75,96 40
Cyprus75,91 41
Isle of Man75,86 42
United States75,65 43
Ireland75,60 44
European Union75,54 45
Saint Helena75,52 46
Finland75,48 47
Korea, South

cut and paste didn't work so well Macau is number one @ 81.39 years of life. We are 42 @ 75.65 years of life Ireland is 43 and so on.

 

[Whine Lover]

" cut and pace "

Is that where you fart, and then walk back and forth across the room, or what?


YKW

 

[Max Powers]

" cut and pace "

Is that where you fart, and then walk back and forth across the room, or what?


YKW

ahh yea that's it. You can pull your sheet off your head no one can see you behind the computer.

 

[thruthemurk]

Once Obama is done we will have a high cost of living, super high taxes, and we will still be stuck making less than the Lufthansa pilots.

No kidding!! I miss George W. Remember how good things were back in the good old fall of 08?
Yep, the good old days - hard to believe how now compares to then.

 

[Arkady]

My personal experience with the German health care system was quite an eye opener (esp. for someone that was always spoon fed since childhood the idea that the USA health care system was #1...proudly repeated, like it was the US Olympic team or something). I experienced very prompt & attentive service, virtually no waiting (perhaps all of 5 minutes - even without an appointment), no insurance? no problem, not a citizen? still no problem, no paperwork, no hassles, straight in to see a very thorough, friendly, professional doctor/nursing staff that were all incredibly attentive and took quite a bit of time to ask a lot of questions as well as making sure all of mine were answered in great detail. Just about the polar opposite of the typical long waiting, migraine inducing - pain in the arse paperwork, arguing with the insurance co. and precious little face time with the doctors run-around that I am (unfortunately) accustomed to at home in the States. And a few weeks later, when I was feeling better the German doctor invited us out for beers. Now that is customer service! All for approx. a 5 or 10 euro co-pay (for the health care - not the beers).

Don't get me wrong - I have met some great Doctors in the US and they do excel in some categories of medicine - but the overall experience in Germany, from my perspective as a patient, was much smoother and more relaxing and yet it also appeared to be more comprehensive and more patient oriented. Sort of like the difference in service you typically get when riding on Brand X US carrier vs. Singapore Airlines. One is to be endured & the other is a great experience. Anyway, if that is the kind of health care we are supposed to be so afraid of - well sign me up.

In addition, one of my family members lived for many years in both France and Lux and loved their respective health care systems/service there as well. And there is a lot to be said for the added peace of mind, in that I don't ever remember hearing about anyone over there ever being put in the terrible position of having to declare personal bankruptcy due to overwhelming health care bills - whereas there was this study regarding our system:


50 percent of U.S. bankruptcies are due to medical expenses. A recent study by Harvard University researchers found that:

• 68 percent of those who filed for bankruptcy had health insurance. However, illness often leads to job loss and with it, the loss of health insurance.
• 50 percent of all bankruptcy filings were partly the result of medical expenses.
• Every 30 seconds in the United States someone files for bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious health problem.
• Families with children were especially hard hit—about 700,000 children lived in families that declared bankruptcy in the aftermath of serious medical problems.
• The total number of people directly affected by medical bankruptcies is more than two million annually.

"'I think the message that we take away is, really, nobody is safe in our country. Short of (Microsoft Chairman) Bill Gates, if you're sick enough long enough, you're likely to be financially ruined,' cautioned study author Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. 'We're all one serious illness away from bankruptcy,' he added." - Karen Pallarito, "Health Medical Problems Cause Half of Personal Bankruptcies," Forbes.com, 02/02/05 -

So, if given the chance, would I trade seats with a Lufthansa pilot?...hellz yeah.

 

[Full of LUV]

Your blind by your hatred for the USA

Once again these stats are kept through Nosogolists, which get there info from Boring old Death Certificates, which are filled out by Doctors. So please don't come back with some Fox news conspiracy. But as you can see with our world best health care we are only 42 in the world. Pretty sad for insurance of 7300k per person compared to their 3000k or less.

1
Macau81,39 2
Andorra80,33 3
Singapore79,37 4
Australia79,25 5
Hong Kong79,16 6
Japan78,80 7
Canada78,69 8
Israel78,62 9
Sweden78,59 10
Iceland78,53 10
San Marino78,53 11
New Zealand78,43 12
Anguilla78,11 13
Switzerland78,03 14
Cayman Islands77,80 15
France77,79 16
Guernsey77,76 17
Gibraltar77,30 18
Norway77,29 19
Italy77,26 20
Jersey77,23 21
Malta77,21 22
Bermuda77,20 23
Greece77,11 24
Faroe Islands77,00 25
Netherlands76,80 26
Spain76,74 27
Saint Pierre and Miquelon76,69 28
Austria76,60 29
Liechtenstein76,59 30
United Kingdom76,52 31
Kuwait76,51 32
Jordan76,34 33
Monaco76,30 34
Germany76,26 35
Luxembourg76,07 36
Belgium76,06 37
British Virgin Islands76,03 38
Virgin Islands76,02 39
Denmark75,96 40
Cyprus75,91 41
Isle of Man75,86 42
United States75,65 43
Ireland75,60 44
European Union75,54 45
Saint Helena75,52 46
Finland75,48 47
Korea, South

cut and paste didn't work so well Macau is number one @ 81.39 years of life. We are 42 @ 75.65 years of life Ireland is 43 and so on.

Max,
Do some research, and you will see that those statistics are not from the same basis. It's our own CDC's admission, not fox news.
I was just in Macau last week (left a couple hundred unfortunately), you will not convince me that they do much to help a premature infant, much more fatalistic culture there and throughout asia.
I agree that our system that leaves you bankrupt if you get sick or that has so much profit in the middle has room to be fixed in the way we apply our technology, but as far as having access to the best care in the world with ever improving new treatments, you won't find many cancer patients traveling to Macau for treatment (unless your looking for a more wholistic approach).
But hey Max, at least you have 41 choices on where you will go get healed when (god forbid) you happen to contract an ailment.

 

[igneousy2]

I don't think there is any doubt that their are some very large problems with our health care system. The core problem is that we have a large percentage of the population that is essentially satisfied with the health care system. If you ask people about the health care system in general terms; does our health system suck? Then 80% respond that yes in fact it does suck. If you ask what you think about THEIR OWN health care system (i.e. their own doctor, etc.) most people respond that they are satisfied. Also, MOST people HAVE health insurance and MOST people DON'T have problems getting insurance because of pre-existing health conditions or the lack of a job.

When surveyed most people think health care reform is a GREAT idea as long as you don't raise their taxes, or lower their current or future benefits. How do you convince 80% of the population that they should sacrifice for the other 20%. An impossible situation.

 

[GogglesPisano]

How do you convince 80% of the population that they should sacrifice for the other 20%. An impossible situation.

Illustrates the profound difference in social policy between Americans and the rest of the developed world.