US CRJ700s may not be at a WO

[vc10]

Aviation Daily is running a story saying that the US CRJ700s won't be at either MidAtlantic or at PSA and may not necessarily be at any of the Wholly Owned US Airways regional carriers.

The CRJ700s will be based in CLT. The story quotes senior US Airways officers: Siegel and Scheeringa.

Mesa already has CRJ700s and CRJ900s---it would be a cheaper and faster solution operationally than establishing the type at another carrier.

 

[blueshoe]

That is interesting... Piedmont has a base in CLT maybe they will end up with a couple jets after all...

 

[big dog1]

One of the press releases says that the 700's will be CRJ-700 series 705's.
From what I hear, the series 705 is actually a 900 fuselage that carries less
seats. It has more first class seats and either 1 or 2 larger lavs, filling up
the
extra room. This will comply with the US scope clause since it is technically
a
CRJ-700 and meets the max seat requirements (75 I think). My money is on
Mesa leasing these jets and operating them under J4J.

 

[Capt America]

Well, its your money...there is still much more drama to come though

 

[spike]

WO changes

Just because the airplane is going to be based in CLT doesn't mean that PSA or Mid-Atlantic can't have a base there. PSA already knows that bases will be changing somewhat.

The planes that Airways is buying are going to Airway owned companies.

Mesa can buy their own dam planes.

 

[WSurf]

Thats okay, I am sure once Group gets all these RJ's they can slower start phasing out this Contract Carriers and Keep all the money and flying within Group........

 

[BTDII]

My money is on
Mesa leasing these jets and operating them under J4J.

That would make absolutely no sense in the world. None, zero, zip. Why in heavens name would Airways place an order for 25 705's and lease them to Mesa. The numbers game that would have to be played to make it a win win for Airways would be mind blowing.

Take a look at the orders and options numbers again and then remember that the scope relief is for 465 planes. You will see the contract carriers slowly disappearing. Contracting is not making Airways money. If it was they would have never placed this oder in the first place.

 

[md80furloughee]

Again, Blaaaaaaaaaaa Blaaaaaaaaaaaa Blaaaaaaaaaaa

All you wannabe airline CEO's just shut up and fly what you fly!

All jets should be on mainline anyways. but that is another topic for another day.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

actually...

All jets should be on mainline anyways. but that is another topic for another day.

Actually, if you want to get right to the nitty-gritty of the problem, there should BE no "mainline".

All AIRPLANES (regardless of seating capacity or type of motor) should be flown for the AIRLINE.

Had that been done decades ago we would not be having this argument. Every airplane from the Beech 1900 or J31 to the Airbus 330 should be on the SAME seniority list.

ALPA dropped the ball by deciding that "some" flying wasnt good enough for them. We are all paying the price for their arrogance.

 

[WSurf]

Well Said!

 

[BTDII]

Again, Blaaaaaaaaaaa Blaaaaaaaaaaaa Blaaaaaaaaaaa

All you wannabe airline CEO's just shut up and fly what you fly!

All jets should be on mainline anyways. but that is another topic for another day.

MD,

Pull your head out of your arse.

 

[texanpilot]

md80,
That is the attitude that put all the majors in the situation they are in. Why do you DESERVE a jet, super-seniority, job priority, and preferential hiring at another company? I hope this all works out for everyone, but it is time to check the God-complex at the door and all of us need to remember where we came from. Group dug its own grave and Sept 11 pushed them in.

ex PDT Dash8 driver

 

[h25b]

"That would make absolutely no sense in the world. None, zero, zip. Why in heavens name would Airways place an order for 25 705's and lease them to Mesa."

As if USAirways has NEVER done anything that didn't make sense...

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[embraerdriver]

hey md80furloughee puke,

put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, do us all a favor.

You are no better than any of us so go funk yourself!

 

[embdrvr]

Just wanted to make sure noone confuses me with the previous poster. We've got similar login names. That's not the kind of thing I'd post.

 

[KFFA]

SkyWest???

 

[Obi-Wan]

They also ordered the Emb170(ERJ170) and taking delivery of the first one in Sept.

 

[WileE]

Sure it makes sense.

If they lease to a contract flier, they get the planes on the routes but don't have to pay the expenses of salaries, maintenance and everything else. They let the contractor handle all those expenses for less since they pay all their employees less.

Not saying that's the way it will happen, but denying it doesn't make sense won't change the fact that for the company, it would.

 

[BTDII]

Re: Sure it makes sense.

If they lease to a contract flier, they get the planes on the routes but don't have to pay the expenses of salaries, maintenance and everything else. They let the contractor handle all those expenses for less since they pay all their employees less.

Not saying that's the way it will happen, but denying it doesn't make sense won't change the fact that for the company, it would.

I've said it a dozen times if not more, but apparently some just don't get it. Contracting does not save or make US Airways any money. Period. No matter how you look at it. The only thing it has been able to do was give the percetion to the public that Airways doesn't just fly turboprop aircraft in the Express operation. Hence giving Airways the oportunity to retain some customers without total loss. The money that those customers spend to take an RJ to connect in a hub does not cover the cost that Airways has to pay to the contractor.

The only reason its been done was the inability of Airways to secure its own RJ fleet (until now).


May 20, 2003
US Airways plans to consolidate Regionals

US Airways CEO David Siegel said yesterday that the company will consolidate the number of Regionals operating as US Airways Express carriers over the next several years. "Ultimately we will probably reduce it down to a couple of partners," Siegel told ATWOnline at the Regional Airline Assn. annual convention in Phoenix. "We don’t need 10. Two or three are more likely." He also said US Airways may consider the new Embraer 190/195 as a replacement for aging mainline aircraft over the next 5-10 years. He called the aircraft an "attractive option," noting its commonality with the 85 Embraer 170s ordered last week (ATWOnline, May 14).--Sandra Arnoult


My personal prediction:

ALG, PDT, and PSA merged into one with MidAtlantic operating on its own for fleet commonality issues. All you have to do is look at the oders and options then look at the scope relief to see what the future is for the contractors.

 

[328dude]

Ok, I'm going to say this again. PDT, ALG and PSA WILL NOT merge. The flow through is in effect now, but dosen't do alot of us any good.

I have asked this question to numerous people in Crystal City including the Pres, and they all dispell that this is what they will do with the three wholly owned. The three of us are more valuable to them sepearate then together in regards to asset's.
Also, they won't take the chance of what happened at Comair happen here with the strike and all.

It might seem logical, but from the company's standpoint, it's to much a risk.


Keep thinking.