Us Airways Posts $507 Million Net Profit For 2006

[Hpilot]

HAHAHA that was funny! It should be so simple. Where do I get a sticker for my bag?

 

[800Dog]

800Dog,

Here is the thing. Most don't get it and I want to get across everyone the very real of the situation. I realize that after seeing the earnings announcement of half a billion dollars that everyone says well go and get my money. I want nothing mre than to get that money TRUST ME!! but there is a cost to everything and there comes a point where you can be priced out of the market. I never saw this being a line pilot and I highly suggest every pilot on every property getting involved in the union process and learn just what goes on on a daily basis. Far too many just want to fly there trips and go home. This process is extremely involved and much much more goes on and it's far more complicated then I can go on in this forum. I strongly urge all to really get involved...

Now that's all I am going to say about that. (forrest gump)

WD.

I agree with most of what you say. I have done some ALPA work and highly encourage everyone to do the same. Very easy to bitch and moan and do nothing!

 

[bigtexpilot]

here is your negotiating motto. every employee should adopt this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmjdoc7BLlA

I like it.

 

[MCDU]

America West would have been better off without this merger. This merger is a disgrace for all employess and America West.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Sure it is up to us but to decide or not and I have a feeling that what you guys are shooting for vs the expectaions of this pilot group will end up with 51% of the pilot group voting yes.

Hopefully the East guys will prevent our weak sisters from achieving another 51% yes vote.

 

[Mea25000]

Us East and America West are the two worst contracts by far in the industry. Us East because of two bankruptcies and America West because I guess their pilots don’t think they are worth anything. I have seen your proposals and they are just a touch better then the contracts at Delta a carrier in bankruptcy. Your airline might be the only one where bankruptcy leading contracts are cheered for. I hope the East guys stand up for themselves because history has shown the West wont! I sure hope AMR, CAL, and well I know most everyone over here at ALK wont settle.

 

[Hpilot]

It's sad but true. There are things in our contract that make me just disgusted and the replies I get are, "well it's sooooo much better than our last contract". Well that last one must of been a real piece of sh!t. If this Delta deal goes through I think I'll be looking for another job. Oh wait......I already am.

 

[canyonblue]

I believe the reserves over there get 14 or 15 days off per month while line holders seem to average around 18.

Reserves get 15 or 16 days off a month depending on the month (ie:30 or 31 days). As a lineholder, I have 18 days off this month.

They have profit sharing as well as stock options.

Options are varied on the seniority scale, but my profit sharing for '06 will be $9,700

I don´t believe our insurance is head and shoulders better than SWA.

I don't know how your insurance is but I have a pretty good PPO at $35 a month.

Sure they are productive but if I hear another AWA captain tell me that ´I would never want to work at SWA because they work too hard´ while we are in the middle of a redeye to EWR for the 5th time that month I´m going to puke!

If I work too hard, please let me know, because I haven't seen it. I only fly 3 day trips, and usually fly 3 legs a day.

We at AWA work as hard as anyone...period! Parker and his minions make more than anybody at SWA.

Gary Kelly is somewhere @ 300k range + benefits. He was CFO during the Hedge periods, so I would say he deserves it.

 

[xanderman]

here ya go...

Us East and America West are the two worst contracts by far in the industry. Us East because of two bankruptcies and America West because I guess their pilots don’t think they are worth anything. I have seen your proposals and they are just a touch better then the contracts at Delta a carrier in bankruptcy. Your airline might be the only one where bankruptcy leading contracts are cheered for. I hope the East guys stand up for themselves because history has shown the West wont! I sure hope AMR, CAL, and well I know most everyone over here at ALK wont settle.

Got a proposal for you. How about you come down to PHX on the 1st of Feb., that's this Thursday, and picket with us. We are all ALPA bretheren and we could use your support. It starts at 11:30am. Unless you want to show uup and support your fellow ALPA pilots at AWA/US then shut the he!! up. Nobody has any right to bitch unless they get involved! Period!

Andy

P.S. I do agree with you that the west could use some more spine. Okay a lot more spine...

 

[Hpilot]

Got a proposal for you. How about you come down to PHX on the 1st of Feb., that's this Thursday, and picket with us. We are all ALPA bretheren and we could use your support. It starts at 11:30am. Unless you want to show uup and support your fellow ALPA pilots at AWA/US then shut the he!! up. Nobody has any right to bitch unless they get involved! Period!

Andy

P.S. I do agree with you that the west could use some more spine. Okay a lot more spine...

We could both(AS and US) use a pay raise. I like Alaska, but their first few years of pay is worse than ours and they get less days off on reserve. Everything else though is probably superior to ours.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Well since I am here at the MEC office today and I am in conf with the Neg committee I think that I may in fact be in a little better position info wise than you right now. Now with that said if you are in PHX today, come by the pizza lunch and lets talk!!!

WD.

With Doug Dotter running the show? GMAFB

 

[BeCareful!]

America West would have been better off without this merger. This merger is a disgrace for all employess and America West.

Yeah, I agree. AWA could have made this $507 million all by itself. That East stuff just drags them down......

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Yeah, I agree. AWA could have made this $507 million all by itself. That East stuff just drags them down......

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, as I don't work for either side (AWA or East, whatever).

However, You are either, "blind, stupid or just can't read," as the numbers that were made public (filed with the SEC), show that "Over 2/3 of the total revenue the company (LCC) generated, came from the old "US Airways" system (division) of the company; and the same for the 'net.'

So, I sorry, but "who" drags 'what' down???

Go back and read the financial reports for 'Your' own company and then let me know.

Bye

 

[xanderman]

definition

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, as I don't work for either side (AWA or East, whatever).

However, You are either, "blind, stupid or just can't read," as the numbers that were made public (filed with the SEC), show that "Over 2/3 of the total revenue the company (LCC) generated, came from the old "US Airways" system (division) of the company; and the same for the 'net.'

So, I sorry, but "who" drags 'what' down???

Go back and read the financial reports for 'Your' own company and then let me know.

Bye

Sarcasm. It means to... Ah to he!! with it. If you can't see it now then just forget it.

 

[Green]

I would love to have a major increase in pay rate but, I don't want to fly 8 legs a day to get it. Our (AWA) contract now as a whole is not that bad not withstanding the pay rates. Sometimes the grass is not that GREEN on the otherside.

Our contract sucks when you compare it to historical major airline contracts. Plane and simple is sucks. Now you can choose to make the best of it and have a good attitude that´s great. But to imply that since we have better work rules and pay than a few CH11 airlines means our contract is good now is total BS. Again I think we work just as hard as SWA. I routinely takeoff at 2300 and land at 0600 with about 12-13 days off per month. I would MUCH rather fly 8 legs during the daylight with 18 days off, make 125hr as an fo or 190CA, get stock options, about 10grand per year in profit sharing, etc. Now i´m sure someone will say if you like it so much then go work for SWA but I´m trying to point out that the company CAN afford much more. You get what you negotiate!

 

[Green]

800Dog,

Here is the thing. Most don't get it and I want to get across everyone the very real of the situation. I realize that after seeing the earnings announcement of half a billion dollars that everyone says well go and get my money. I want nothing mre than to get that money TRUST ME!! but there is a cost to everything and there comes a point where you can be priced out of the market. I never saw this being a line pilot and I highly suggest every pilot on every property getting involved in the union process and learn just what goes on on a daily basis. Far too many just want to fly there trips and go home. This process is extremely involved and much much more goes on and it's far more complicated then I can go on in this forum. I strongly urge all to really get involved...

Now that's all I am going to say about that. (forrest gump)

WD.

Whiskey-

Come on man you´re smarter than that aren´t you? you are playing right into the company´s hand. They let you into their little club, buy you dinner, tell you they´d love to pay us more but they just can´t afford it in todays industry, blahblahbalbha. Then they throw some numbers your way and pull the wool over your head. Give me a break. You, Whiskey driver, are NOT a finance major. Numbers can be made to show anything the author wants. When talking to the press Parker claimed he could easily finance a few billion more in debt due to our current high revenues. He has money. He just doesn´t want to spend it on us if he doesn´t have to. Stop playing buddy buddy with management and falling for their old BS and negotiate an industry leading contract. 20% less than our competitiors with crappy work rules and minimal staffing is not industry leading.

The one thing that bothers me about our negotiations is that we talk big and carry a small stick. We claim we are going for industry leading this or that but when the details come out it always falls short. If we don´t want an industry leading contract or you don´t believe we can get one then don´t claim that´s what we are after.

Again I think our JNC is way out of their league in dealing with Parker and Glass.

 

[bigtexpilot]

So would you say, compared to the last contract, this current contract is not a step in the right direction? Don't get me wrong I just read the email from the MEC and I'm not at all happy with the way management is trying to negotiate a concessionary contract. I will vote no and I have no problem with that.

 

[StopNTSing]

I would MUCH rather fly 8 legs during the daylight with 18 days off, make 125hr as an fo or 190CA, get stock options, about 10grand per year in profit sharing, etc. Now i´m sure someone will say if you like it so much then go work for SWA but I´m trying to point out that the company CAN afford much more. You get what you negotiate!

Minor thread hijack:

Can we please just retire the old stereotype of "those SWA guys flying eight legs a day?" Virtually no lines outside of DAL & HOU do that anymore...and it's becoming increasingly rare for them too. How about we replace it with "those SWA guys blocking eight hours of flying a day" (and don't forget to include that we do it in about a ten hour duty day).

Now back to your regularly scheduled banter....

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Whiskey-

Come on man you´re smarter than that aren´t you? you are playing right into the company´s hand. They let you into their little club, buy you dinner, tell you they´d love to pay us more but they just can´t afford it in todays industry, blahblahbalbha. Then they throw some numbers your way and pull the wool over your head. Give me a break. You, Whiskey driver, are NOT a finance major. Numbers can be made to show anything the author wants. When talking to the press Parker claimed he could easily finance a few billion more in debt due to our current high revenues. He has money. He just doesn´t want to spend it on us if he doesn´t have to. Stop playing buddy buddy with management and falling for their old BS and negotiate an industry leading contract. 20% less than our competitiors with crappy work rules and minimal staffing is not industry leading.

The one thing that bothers me about our negotiations is that we talk big and carry a small stick. We claim we are going for industry leading this or that but when the details come out it always falls short. If we don´t want an industry leading contract or you don´t believe we can get one then don´t claim that´s what we are after.

Again I think our JNC is way out of their league in dealing with Parker and Glass.

You're killing me!! Me buddy buddy with mgt, that's rich. You have totally missed my point about finances and yes I do deal with them DAILY!! I am a business owner partner, so I see both sides of this coin. Now let me suggest to you AGAIN, instead of you b itchin on this forum come in and help!!

Now give me your excuse as to why you won't be able ot picket HQ tomorrow!! WD will be there, WD is and has been bustin his azz daily to try and get something better!! WD spends much of his time away from his wife and family so that you DON'T have too!!! All this with little or no thanks from the general pilot group. The next time you call my loyalty to this pilot group into question you had better dam well be able to back that crap up!!!:angryfire

WD

 

[tico]

Minor thread hijack:

Can we please just retire the old stereotype of "those SWA guys flying eight legs a day?" Virtually no lines outside of DAL & HOU do that anymore...and it's becoming increasingly rare for them too. How about we replace it with "those SWA guys blocking eight hours of flying a day" (and don't forget to include that we do it in about a ten hour duty day).

Now back to your regularly scheduled banter....

This what those of that are in negotiations need more of...at Alaska we have guys saying the same stupid stuff about Southwest...such as I just wouldn't want to have to work that hard as they drag in off their 4th in a row all night Fairbanks turn....or are in the middle of their 3rd 3 day with 3 hour sits in between every leg every day...At Alaska we get 5 hours of block for a ten hour day so who is really working harder...Our mngmt and yours(usair) say that the southwest guys make more because they are more productive...who determines productivity...we have nothing in our (as) current contract that would prevent us from flying right along side southwest...it not our job to build productivity or efficiency, it is their's....Pilots need to permanently get it through their heads that business decisions are made by business men and flying decisions are made by pilots and the two should never mingle....Southwest pilots don't spend all day thinking about the business decisions...They are given good tools to do their job and they go out and do a dam good job period....We are no different then they are other than they are given a Massey Ferguson 9800 series all wheel drive fully articulating tractor with a 32-bottom plow to get their work done and we are given a sharp rock tied to a stick.....back to my meds..