US Airways pilots will for fly for less than MESA!!!!! AGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SiouxHockeyFan]

Top pay for erj 190 will be $95 at us airways
Top pay for a crj200 at air willy is $91
Top pay for BAE146 at air willy is $113
Top pay for erj 170 at rep/shut amer is $99
Top pay for erj 190 at rep/shut amer is $109-if they ever get the airplane
The best part is Mesa flying the crj900 top pay is $100
So now Us Airways pilots will fly for less than MESA!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe instead of blaming all the regionals we can now look at what the legacy carriers are dong to this industry. This new pay rate just goes to show it isn't just the regionals, but every pilot is willing to fly a shiny new jet for less than someone else.

 

[RJP]

*insert Mesa-bashing comment here*

 

[blzr]

Doesn't matter, that $5.00/hr difference will be wiped out by the contract
and the Airways pilot will make $100-110,000/year while the Mesa guy will maybe get $90,000.

The hourly rate doesn't make squat, the contract does. I'm SURE that there are MANY regional F/O's that make more than a Mesa captain.

 

[General Lee]

Top pay for erj 190 will be $95 at us airways
Top pay for a crj200 at air willy is $91
Top pay for BAE146 at air willy is $113
Top pay for erj 170 at rep/shut amer is $99
Top pay for erj 190 at rep/shut amer is $109-if they ever get the airplane
The best part is Mesa flying the crj900 top pay is $100
So now Us Airways pilots will fly for less than MESA!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe instead of blaming all the regionals we can now look at what the legacy carriers are dong to this industry. This new pay rate just goes to show it isn't just the regionals, but every pilot is willing to fly a shiny new jet for less than someone else.

The E190 will be their smallest plane. They can make more when they go up to the 733, A319, A320, A321, 757, 767, A330 or eventually the A350. DL MD88 FOs make less than super senior Mesa CR9 Captains. So what is your point? Those rates for the E190 at USAir are better than pre-70 hour Jetblue rates.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Groucho]

The RJ rates at US reflect the reality. There are not many pilots at MESA at top of scale,or at any of the other regional carriers for that matter. Some regionals have top of scale pay at 18 years. At US Airways it is 12 years and I can guarantee you that every US RJ190 captain will be at top of scale.

In several years there is a jump in pay and a new contract will be negotiated. It is a higher rate, by a few bucks, than current AirBus right seat pay.

It is not great but it is what we have to do to keep our flying.

 

[AviatorTx]

Doesn't matter, that $5.00/hr difference will be wiped out by the contract
and the Airways pilot will make $100-110,000/year while the Mesa guy will maybe get $90,000.

The hourly rate doesn't make squat, the contract does. I'm SURE that there are MANY regional F/O's that make more than a Mesa captain.

That about sums it up.

Not to mention, not only will the Airways pilot make more on his W-2, he will have a lot more than eight days a month off like the Mesa people.

I'll bet I have a better W-2 on 69 dollars an hour, than a Mesa pilot can on 80 dollars an hour.

Hourly pay is but one brick (a small one at that) in the foundation of a contract.

Besides, at the end of the day, a Mesa pilot... Is still a Mesa pilot.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Besides, at the end of the day, a Mesa pilot... Is still a Mesa pilot.

It's kinda like winning the special olympics....even if you win, you're still retarded. :laugh:

 

[Aviatard]

Try not to use 'Mesa' and 'retarded' in the same post. it insults the retards.

 

[sigler]

It's kinda like winning the special olympics....even if you win, you're still retarded. :laugh:

That is the funniest thing I've read in a loooong time...

 

[FR8mastr]

Maybe instead of blaming all the regionals we can now look at what the legacy carriers are dong to this industry. This new pay rate just goes to show it isn't just the regionals, but every pilot is willing to fly a shiny new jet for less than someone else.

You have that backwards, this is a direct result of the regionals like MESA. Airways had only one choice, make horrible pay and keep the flying in house or lose it all together to a contractor. The only reason they had to make this choice is because of the extremely low pay of the contracting regional companies out there. As it is now, not MESA nor anyone else will get that flying, and Airways pilots can work on the pay during the next contract. I agree the pay is bad, but given the two options they did the right thing.

 

[temcgrew]

They can make more when they go up to the 733, A319, A320, A321, 757, 767, A330 or eventually the A350. DL MD88 FOs make less than super senior Mesa CR9 Captains

Great point!! these airplanes should never be at a "feeder" company in the first place! The fact that mainline companies will stop farming out MAINLINE flying to "feeder" type of companies who have to compete with LOW RATES is the problem for all of us. I would much rather work for a mainline company that competes in the free market than for a bottom "feeder" company who competes for contracts with other "feeders".
Look at what is going on...CHQ is "TAKING" flying away from COMAIR, TSA is "TAKING" flying away from EAGLE. SKYWEST and G0JET is "TAKING" flying away from AIRWISKEY. EXPRESS JET is getting flying "TAKEN AWAY" from them. No, that is not what is really happening. Mainline companies are contracting out to the LOWEST bidder for feeder companies to do work that MAINLINE's should be doing in the first place.

 

[ReportCanoa]

The only reason they had to make this choice is because of the extremely low pay of the contracting regional companies out there.

So Mesa pilots will be able to say the reverse about any new rates they are to negotiate. Your logic is about as sturdy as ALPO's.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

It is the right move. Gets the flying back on the property. Once it is back they can work on pay later. Plus 190 pilots can bid to a higher paying airplane once they are senior enough.

In my opinion it is the only way to save the piloting profession. As long as the outsourcing is allowed, the pay and working conditions only get worse.

We can only hope that the rest of the majors follow suit. The 50 seaters are expensive to operate and are not a passenger favorite, so eventually most of the flying should be returned to the parent carrier. This is what the RJ should have been 10 years ago, entry airplane at a major carrier.

And yes, hourly payrate does not mean much when comparing the QOL issues and duty rigs of a Major contract. Only someone that has never flown under a good contract would argue that USAirs pay is less than Mesa's.

Even after being gutted and slashed in the BK process U's contract is much better than the best regional contract I ever flew under.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

We have to Brand Scope the airlines, thats the holy grail. I sound like a broken record.

 

[sniper]

That about sums it up.

Not to mention, not only will the Airways pilot make more on his W-2, he will have a lot more than eight days a month off like the Mesa people.

I'll bet I have a better W-2 on 69 dollars an hour, than a Mesa pilot can on 80 dollars an hour.

Hourly pay is but one brick (a small one at that) in the foundation of a contract.

Besides, at the end of the day, a Mesa pilot... Is still a Mesa pilot.

As always, your stupidity shines above all.

 

[TWA Dude]

So Mesa pilots will be able to say the reverse about any new rates they are to negotiate.

The flying isn't equivalent. Aside from the aforementioned contractual differences that make USA QOL superior, Mesa is only a contract carrier and like all the others subject to the whim of code-shares.

(Note: my statement isn't meant as a slam of Mesa pilots or any other small-jet pilots, I'm talking about the company only.)

 

[enuffalready]

xxxxx

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

You have that backwards, this is a direct result of the regionals like MESA. Airways had only one choice, make horrible pay and keep the flying in house or lose it all together to a contractor. The only reason they had to make this choice is because of the extremely low pay of the contracting regional companies out there. As it is now, not MESA nor anyone else will get that flying, and Airways pilots can work on the pay during the next contract. I agree the pay is bad, but given the two options they did the right thing.

Exactly. Besides, where would you rather work? Let see, a whole career at Mesa, or any other regional for that matter, or a whole career as a 190 CA at Airways. If you chose the regional, you chose wrong

 

[enuffalready]

Great point!! these airplanes should never be at a "feeder" company in the first place! The fact that mainline companies will stop farming out MAINLINE flying to "feeder" type of companies who have to compete with LOW RATES is the problem for all of us. I would much rather work for a mainline company that competes in the free market than for a bottom "feeder" company who competes for contracts with other "feeders".
Look at what is going on...CHQ is "TAKING" flying away from COMAIR, TSA is "TAKING" flying away from EAGLE. SKYWEST and G0JET is "TAKING" flying away from AIRWISKEY. EXPRESS JET is getting flying "TAKEN AWAY" from them. No, that is not what is really happening. Mainline companies are contracting out to the LOWEST bidder for feeder companies to do work that MAINLINE's should be doing in the first place.

IS this the part where you dazzle us with your knowledge of how regionals are somehow NOT competing in free markets and mainline is?

 

[enuffalready]

Exactly. Besides, where would you rather work? Let see, a whole career at Mesa, or any other regional for that matter, or a whole career as a 190 CA at Airways. If you chose the regional, you chose wrong

what are you talking about?

Some us factor in more than 15 vs 50 vs 70 vs vs 150 vs 250 seats behind us when making career and life choices...

Oh wait, I remember.. regional bad.. mainline good....i got it now.