US Airways Pilot App

[A-V-8]

Think part of the hiring is the looming retirements etc......

Heard company is looking at the start of 850 retirements by end of 2014??? Some may start to go, They expect another 175 to go either way after the LOA93 arbitration comes in.

All legacies are facing this. There is virtually no attrition right now due to age 65. They have enjoyed virtually no training costs. When retirements start pilots will move up on equipment. This will cause the training department to fill up with line pilots. These pilots will have to be replaced online. So companies like U.S. Airways will have to have more pilots when the attrition starts because so many will be offline due to training. The less types you have the less training. (Hence the oldest pilot group is going all airbus.) Delta is the worst of all. They have 7 types by my last count. 1 Retirement could trigger 14 initial training events. You need 14 more pilots online to replace them while they are in the training center. American just had a meeting regarding their situation. The standing bid that they are currently operating off of is very old. Maybe an American pilot could chime with the date of the MOASBs (Mother of all standing bids) date. They are expecting 1400 or so in a year at the peak of their retirements. That is a lot of training events. Not 1400 new hire events. Many more due to pilots switching equipment.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Will the new hires joing alpo or usapa?

SWAPA after USAPA buys them out.

PHXFLYR

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Becket is a former east pilot got furloughed, got on at AWA. Then he saw the nice Nic award and was happy as a clam. But then things did not go as planned and he got furloughed again, because instead of being 25% up the list he is stagnating out west and is still unsure if he wants to return unless the nic is used.

Anyway, lots of movement on the east. 10 new hires a month for the foreseeable future. Starting pay on the 190 for a new hire is alot better then most and after that you can bid off.

M

Doosh:
Are you off your meds?
CHQ east pay....I mean us air east, is less than a walmart greeter.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

For all of those thinking they would rather stay at their Kick Azz regional, with seniority, days off, alright pay, PLEASE don't count out any major. US Air, AWA both have better or higher potential than any regional. If you have family anywhere in the business, I bet they said get you app in even before they are hiring. It's true, no matter how long it takes to "recover" your pay, the upside will be better than the low side of a regional. Regionals are at the mercy of the majors. Lately it has been opposite, but it will not stay that way. Fuel, labor, pay, will all have to right size the ships.

It's a horrible dilemma, but it's not insurmountable, even if you get furloughed. The upside is still better than the low side of a regional.

What is low side of a regional, well, if they furlough you or drop you back to the right seat, you still must fight to get back to the spot you are at now. Pay, then half, then back the the pay you are at now. It's a horrible way to live, but it's just facts.

Good Luck, and never count US Air out, they have been on the outs for 25 years. Just like TWA. It took years to for their demise. It wasn't because of TWA, but American took them under and took the planes and routes.

Not trying to bring up any hard feelings, just point out the positives of majors.

 

[Turtle21]

I don't work for your ******************** bag outfit amigo.

You seem to have a strange excess of passion about a place you claim to care so little about. Sorry the furlough was so hard. Hope things are better now so you don't have to be bitter anymore.

 

[Tweaker]

There are 15 E-190's not 10. There are ALREADY 10 year captains on the E-190. This is not speculation, but rather analysis.

 

[Tweaker]

Six two day trips bought from me in last eight weeks! Oh ya and when you are fresh off OE and they haven't flown you for a while call for them to buy you a trip so you can get your consolidation done...please! Charlie wants to do some skiing too.

Will do, sir! FCTI's say they are going to maintain a full (25 a/c) compliment of instructors so they can both turn on a dime and run through as many pile its as possible. Sim time is the limiting factor.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Sim time is the limiting factor.

It shouldn't be for too much longer. The new sim being set up in the Airbus facility in Miami (but being managed by CAE) should be up and running soon. Airways has a bunch of that time reserved... So plan to see A LOT more 190 training for the forseeable future.

 

[dugan jones]

short call reserve is awesome, haven't flown in over a month

 

[5w5flyer]

short call reserve is awesome, haven't flown in over a month

Since they aren't using the short call guys at all I guess that means that they aren't transitioning any of the long call guys? Anyone know how much the long call guys are flying?

 

[LearLove]

short call reserve is awesome, haven't flown in over a month

this should end about now (although JAN/FEB is always slow for reserves) as the guys who bid off the 190 start training this week for the 737 and AB guys start soon also.

As a long call for most of 2010 (AUG/NOV/DEC held a secondary) I flew just over 700 hours. Maybe 1 or 2 days a month on long call that they did not use me in 2010.

 

[5w5flyer]

Just after I posted my last message the postman showed up with a recall letter for Airways. Looks like a Group II recall class will start in late Feb. They also mentioned an ERJ class around that time which could possibly be a combination of recalls and new hires.

 

[dugan jones]

Just after I posted my last message the postman showed up with a recall letter for Airways. Looks like a Group II recall class will start in late Feb. They also mentioned an ERJ class around that time which could possibly be a combination of recalls and new hires.

congrats on the recall! welcome back to the big happy family :smash:

 

[CASHMAN797]

Did the application for new hires ever open?

I heard a rumor it opened and closed but don't believe it did.

Thanks

 

[GG747]

Must have been a very short window. With so many pilots looking for work, they probably got enough applications on the first day.

 

[Trogdor]

Did the application for new hires ever open?

I heard a rumor it opened and closed but don't believe it did.

Thanks

I don't think it has opened. We were told current pilots would be receiving an email when the window opens. I haven't seen that email.

 

[spitfire1500]

The 350s won't be here till 2017. 8 more 330s by 2012 for growth, plus 25 or so 320 family to replace the 737s.

And to clarify the recall situation: everyone east and west have been offered recall. The last two classes had west pilots accepting east PHL 190 positions. All new hires will be going to PHL 190.

I fail to understand how a company can call itself USAirways...and drive all that foreign crap!!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Like any good American company we outsource everything we can.

 

[Tweaker]

Boing hardly builds anything at all either, they just draw up all the technicalities on some big 'ole puter and have the Japs make the wing and so on.

My Amurikkkan Dodge truck (2000) is mostly made in Canadia.

Try buying an American flag that is actually made in America! Not easy to do.

If it makes you feel any better, the Chi coms are being undercut by Vietnam and many other nations due to an even cheaper work force. They are now attempting to force their peasantry to move back into the hinterlands; this after "encouraging" them to relocate to the urban manufacturing centers.

Summary: Things are rough all ova!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Amen Tweaker.