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US Airways Final Recalls: Take it, or Leave it?

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The CBA recall language should not apply until all three of the above are settled. Only then will the decison to come back to this old boat be one based on fact and not SJS.

You should go back. You'll fit right in with the east side mentallity of I don't like the way things are so let's rewrite the script to MY benefit.
ME ME ME!!!:puke:
 
Must be nice to not have to go through this process. Good for you.


You could have made the same move he did,you know...DFW to PHX is not that bad a commute.Lots of our guys do it.


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
You could have made the same move he did,you know...DFW to PHX is not that bad a commute.Lots of our guys do it.


PHXFLYR:cool:

I could have tried to make the same move, if I'd wanted to do so. I may end up there one of these days anyway. At the time that some of my other options woulda/shoulda/coulda been considered I've been happily employed, with LCC as a backup plan that would seemingly never reach the jeopardy stage. Now that it's here and it offers some measurable benefits (at the expense of others) if I return it's become a lot more serious of an issue.

But that's all beside the point. If you guys (not so much you in particular phxflyr) don't wanna listen to us work through this then simply stop reading. Don't take shots just because you're better off and/or can't relate to what we're dealing with right now.

Some of you guys have been helpful. Thank you for that.
 
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Hey GD...
Maybe he is Instuctor Dudes mentor?:puke:

Swaayze I sympathize with your situation it can not be a easy one. What date do you have to send your reply in by?

GD,

Here is to a decanter of Jack, 3 squishs and 1 ice cube to our fallen friend.
 
Looks like you may not have a "career" at Eagle if they have their way

And you guys wonder why returning doesn't seem so attractive......

I have children at home, do I really want to sling gear for 'em at work?


American Eagle looking to shed senior pilots
The regional airline is helping older pilots get jobs at other airlines, while striving to hire hundreds of younger recruits.
By TREBOR BANSTETTER
[email protected]
Are you a young pilot starting your career? American Eagle would love to give you a job.

Are you an older Eagle pilot near the top of the pay scale? The airline would love it if someone else gave you a job.

Eagle, regional partner of Fort Worth-based American Airlines, recently launched an unusual program that helps senior pilots find jobs at other carriers. At the same time, the airline is planning to hire hundreds of new, younger pilots this year.

The move to clear the decks of older pilots while bringing in new fliers demonstrates the pressure that’s been on Eagle’s business model, which relies on having a younger, less experienced, lower-paid work force.

“The average longevity of Eagle pilots is a lot higher than most of our competitors, because we’ve been keeping all of our senior pilots,” said Dave Ryter, a pilot and spokesman for the Eagle chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association. “After 9-11, people just stopped moving up.”

In the past, Eagle pilots would work for a few years and then advance to American, to be replaced by younger pilots at lower wages. Few stayed at the regional carrier long enough to reach the higher pay levels.

But after 9-11, American laid off thousands of pilots, and the flow of Eagle pilots to the main line stopped. Even though American is bringing some back, nearly 2,000 pilots remain on furlough.

That means it could be years before a substantial number of Eagle pilots advance to American.

“We’ve got pilots who have been around for 20 years,” said Andrea Huguely, Eagle spokeswoman. The average Eagle pilot has about 10 years of seniority, she said.

Starting pay at Eagle is $24 an hour, according to the union. The pay scale tops out at $98 an hour. Pilots are guaranteed a minimum 72 hours per month.

Between 2000 and 2006, the carrier’s pilot costs increased by 86 percent, according to the Transportation Department. Pilot costs rose much faster than overall expenses, which climbed 46 percent during that time. Total pilot costs in 2006 were $144 million.

Although Eagle pilots can’t advance to American right now, there are plenty of opportunities elsewhere. Airlines including Northwest Airlines and Delta Air Lines have been hiring, and growing discount carriers like Southwest Airlines and JetBlue Airways continue to bring in new pilots. Cargo airlines like UPS and FedEx are also hiring. During the first half of the year, the major airlines hired more than 1,400 pilots, according to consulting firm Air Inc., and some airlines are reporting a shortage of pilots.

“There are a lot of opportunities out there, and we want to help people who are interested in advancing their careers,” Huguely said.

The voluntary “pilot placement program,” which began in June, offers to help pilots with the extensive paperwork required to apply for jobs at other carriers. The program also works with pilots to identify potential new employers, provides letters of recommendation and allows time off for job interviews.

Airline officials began offering the service to the pilots who had been there the longest, although they say it will eventually be available to every pilot.

“A lot of our pilots came to Eagle because they eventually want to fly for a (major) carrier,” Huguely said. “This will help them accomplish that goal.”

At the same time, Eagle plans to hire as many as 700 new pilots this year, and has been holding job fairs to recruit pilots nationwide. Currently, the airline has about 3,200 pilots.

Ryter said the union is cautiously optimistic about the program, because it could provide some career opportunities for Eagle pilots. But he warned that the airline must handle it diplomatically, and provide enough resources to make a difference.

“Otherwise it’s just going to look like they’re trying to get us to leave,” he said. “And that’s not a good message right now.”

Online: For more airline coverage, check out Sky Talk, the Star-Telegram’s aviation and travel blog, under Blogs/Chat at www.star-telegram.com.

Trebor Banstetter, 817-390-7064

PILOT COSTS American Eagle spends more on pilots than other regional airlines Airline, 2006 pilot costs American Eagle, $144 million ExpressJet, $134 million SkyWest, $124 million Comair, $91 million Atlantic Southeast Airlines, $90 million Mesa Airlines, $65 million Pinnacle Airlines, $48 million Mesaba Airlines, $34 million Source: Transportation Department




Go back to USAir. Commute from DFW to CLT or PHX.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Or, apply at Delta.

Apparently, a pilot position there gives you the power of clairvoyance. Indeed during indoctrination, Delta issues each newhire a crystal ball. By simply muttering the correct incantations the pilots (or Seers?) can determine not only the correct career decisions to make for him or herself... but can also, Swaayze, determine the course that YOUR career should take.

No, the Delta pilot need not provide you with any actual information to assist you in choosing your own path, but rather they use their powers of divination to show you your fate. (which, incidentally, appears to be the Hunter)

Thank you General for allowing we, the unwashed masses, to bask in the glow of your successes. [/sarcasm]
 
Or, apply at Delta.

Apparently, a pilot position there gives you the power of clairvoyance. Indeed during indoctrination, Delta issues each newhire a crystal ball. By simply muttering the correct incantations the pilots (or Seers?) can determine not only the correct career decisions to make for him or herself... but can also, Swaayze, determine the course that YOUR career should take.

No, the Delta pilot need not provide you with any actual information to assist you in choosing your own path, but rather they use their powers of divination to show you your fate. (which, incidentally, appears to be the Hunter)

Thank you General for allowing we, the unwashed masses, to bask in the glow of your successes. [/sarcasm]


Are you slamming me? I am trying to help. If you don't want to go back, don't, I really don't care. I know it would eat away at me if I didn't go back. You're right, Delta is hiring, and we don't have divided pilot groups like you do at USAir. I am also really happy USAir didn't get us in BK, which really makes a difference. Good luck to whatever you do, but it will eat away at your brain if you don't go back. (Delta is hiring via Airapps I believe)



Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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