US Airways execs meet with Pilots

[eaglesview]

Alas, another thing we can agree on: the Easties are like children screaming in grocery store. So what does the fact that you admire them say about you?

Normally your posts are pretty good but your dipping here. You say I admire them, not sure why, I am just posting the facts. The children in a grocery store was simply an anology of bad behavior being "succesful."

 

[eaglesview]

Really? Got some numbers for that?

Average contractual raise 3%/year. Captains generally make 40% more than F/O's. Have you never upgraded before or worked under a contract??

 

[BeCareful!]

There's another kid in another cart at the grocery store. He's keeps screaming "Nic, Nic, Nic!!!"

 

[BeCareful!]

Uh, that's a fine bit of flamebait. Most of the 2004 hires are on the street and the Spring 2004 hires just dodged furlough and are expecting to surf the bottom of the seniority list for a long time.

Stop trying to spread rumors to the United pilots, D-bag.:bomb:

Not spreading any rumors. Look at where the Super Seniority Nicolau "Award" puts a guy at UAL.

Expecting to surf the bottom? Why? Aren't you guys confident that you're about to shove that Nic "Award" up the East's holes? You all talk so much trash here and act like you're ready to take over the left seats at this airline, well, I thought it was close to a done deal.

 

[TWA Dude]

You say I admire them, not sure why, I am just posting the facts.

The children in a grocery store was simply an anology of bad behavior being "succesful."[/QUOTE]I understood that perfectly. A good parent doesn't reward bad behavior. By calling the East's strategy "successful" you reward them. Instead, you should be pointing out that if justice is done they will be punished for their poor behavior. Tantrums aren't supposed to be successful.

And yes, I say you admire them because you are just about the only FI poster not affiliated with the East who writes sympathetic posts about their behavior. What other motivation could you have? Go ahead and tell me.

 

[TWA Dude]

Look at where the Super Seniority Nicolau "Award" puts a guy at UAL.

The Nicolau list doesn't put UAL pilots anywhere.

 

[eaglesview]

The children in a grocery store was simply an anology of bad behavior being "succesful " I understood that perfectly. A good parent doesn't reward bad behavior. By calling the East's strategy "successful" you reward them. Instead, you should be pointing out that if justice is done they will be punished for their poor behavior. Tantrums aren't supposed to be successful.

And yes, I say you admire them because you are just about the only FI poster not affiliated with the East who writes sympathetic posts about their behavior. What other motivation could you have? Go ahead and tell me.

This is silly. In your analogy who is the "parent " of the East pilots?? Enough of that, I won't use anymore analogies to keep it simple.

You want to believe I admire them, go right ahead. My motivation is simple. For me, and most of the UAL pilot group DOH/Longevity integration is better for our careers, period, that is it. Yes the East is more senior than us, but they are old, ie won't be a factor after the industry starts retiring. AWA is a much younger pilot group with, as a whole less longevity. It really isn't that complicated. My fault, if you will, is I will say what other people are thinking even if it's not popular. I have read posts how my fellow UAL'rs are simpathetic to the west. They are not simpathetic to the point where they will put a permanent barrier (younger pilots senior to them) up for the rest of their careers.

 

[TWA Dude]

My motivation is simple. For me, and most of the UAL pilot group DOH/Longevity integration is better for our careers, period, that is it.

Wait a minute, sailor, you've been praising the East's stand since long before this UAL/USAir merger foolishness. You've relished making the AWA guys out to be bad guys for having the nerve to accepting an arbitration.

Plus, I don't believe this is just about you supporting DOH. I supported a DOH integration for TWA with for completely selfish reasons, however, more important to me is that the integration process be fair. Negotiate --> mediate --> arbitrate. That's how a fair integration should go, finis. Your support of the East for protecting their own through unethical means is appalling.

I have read posts how my fellow UAL'rs are simpathetic to the west. They are not simpathetic to the point where they will put a permanent barrier (younger pilots senior to them) up for the rest of their careers.

Once again, what does a pilot's age have to do with anything? In any case, should this merger come to fruition I've no doubt any sympathy the UAL pilots have for AWA pilots will disappear in the usual integration rancor. That's just how it goes.

 

[j32wreck]

Average contractual raise 3%/year. Captains generally make 40% more than F/O's. Have you never upgraded before or worked under a contract??

No. The east's raise would be more than 3%, that's a given. I am asking you for the name of one person employed on the east the day of the merger who falls under the circumstance you described. What you will find is that the contrary is true. There is very little chance that anyone on the east can make up what they have lost. DOH cannot get them what they have given up had the nic been implemented with a contract 3 years ago.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Are they still seperate?? have they allowed an AWA pilot with less longevity to jump over them?? They have been succesful so far at keeping what was THEY, not you, believe is theirs. That is just the facts, I am not stating anything that is not true here.

A child screeming in the grocery store for that candy bar until he gets it is not showing good behavior, but he was succesful.

So USAPA has been successful in protecting the interests of the original East pilots and that is how you measure their success? OK, I'll buy that. But their "success' in protecting the East pilots has been absolutely detrimental to the airline as a whole. So when viewed in that perspective you cannot say that USAPA has been a "success." When you make your company weaker that is hardly a "success."

In fact, your comments are completely subjective, not objective as someone earlier posted.