US Air's Offer Loses More Ground with Creditors

[Doug Parker]

Where is Parker going?:laugh:

takin da bling and runnin.....................




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[PHXFLYR]

Good riddence....

PHXFLYR

 

[xanderman]

So wait a second here Andy, the deal will NOT fail because the creditors don't want it
Pure speculation. The CC has made no statement either way.

Bethune doesn't endorse it
How do you know? His statements were vague at best. Speculation!

the DOJ doesn't approve of it
Again speculation. They have not even reviewed the case yet.

Dalpa stops it in court due to the PWA
Possibility but not reality yet. Speculation.

Congress decides to lambast it and entangle it in a mess
Speculation! Can you read minds or something? I need the Lotto numbers...

45,000 Delta employees don't want it
So!

11 State Attorney Generals file suit on anti-competitiveness
Maybe! Speculation. Did you say you had those lotto numbers?

USAir Alpa doesn't want it
Simply not true. There you go making crap up again! US ALPA is taking a neutral stance on the issue. Go ask Moak. Yes it bothers me...

Jim Oberstar objects to it
For now. When he gets all the info he'll likely make a final decision then. But for now Speculation.?

Bring on the articles you sift through to help you make your OPINION known to the rest of us here on flightinfo. Oh by the way are those article you so vehemently endorse published by the media? Yeah thought so...

Here's to you and yours... Yes it's the bird!

Andy

Hey Uncle Jesse how come you did not respond? Couldn't find any articles supporting your opinion on "how your opinion is fact and everybody elses is just rhetoric?" Didn't you say that DL and NWA were in talks? Now your boss is singing a different tune! How could that be GL?!?! You posted an article stating that very fact! It has to be true!!! NWA and DL must be in talks.

I guess in the end you are just like everybody else on this board. Filled with speculation and opinions based on less then all the facts...

Andy

 

[General Lee]

Hey Uncle Jesse how come you did not respond? Couldn't find any articles supporting your opinion on "how your opinion is fact and everybody elses is just rhetoric?" Didn't you say that DL and NWA were in talks? Now your boss is singing a different tune! How could that be GL?!?! You posted an article stating that very fact! It has to be true!!! NWA and DL must be in talks.

I guess in the end you are just like everybody else on this board. Filled with speculation and opinions based on less then all the facts...

Andy

Oh, I read them, and I thought it was great you came up with "speculation" for every answer. And I wasn't the only one who thought NWA and DL could be in talks---so did the Wall St Journal. Could my boss be thinking about merging AFTER we exit BK? I bet he could. (I have heard some things, but will hold off a bit)


But I will respond to some of your "Speculation....."

Originally Posted by xanderman
So wait a second here Andy, the deal will NOT fail because the creditors don't want it
Pure speculation. The CC has made no statement either way.

---Sure looks like the creditor committee isn't too hot about your offer--hence the two articles recently posted. Not really speculation.


Bethune doesn't endorse it
How do you know? His statements were vague at best. Speculation!

----Well, his statement about him liking marriage but not forcing two to marry is pretty much saying "he won't force two together that don't fit." You don't have to speculate much about what he is talking about--who is he working for again?



the DOJ doesn't approve of it
Again speculation. They have not even reviewed the case yet.

---You're right. But every Congressman and Senator out there seems against the deal, and they WILL lean on the DOJ, even Oberstar said that.


Dalpa stops it in court due to the PWA
Possibility but not reality yet. Speculation.

----Moak makes it pretty clear, and the BK judge approved it. Even COO Kirby said he would abide by the DL contract if it went through. Sounds like he thinks it would be legal...


Congress decides to lambast it and entangle it in a mess
Speculation! Can you read minds or something? I need the Lotto numbers...
Read again the Phoeinx paper article and tell me about the luke warm reception Parker is getting, and how the AZ delegation hasn't even endorsed the deal. Speculation? Find me one Congressman or Senator that has come out FOR this takeover? I am waiting....



45,000 Delta employees don't want it
So!

--Did you see the Dalpa sponsored billboard truck driving around your PHX headquarters with the billboards reading "Doug Parker is mortgaging your future"? Hillarious. And what about the DL FA's that lambasted Parker in some Congressman's office? Ouch.

11 State Attorney Generals file suit on anti-competitiveness
Maybe! Speculation. Did you say you had those lotto numbers?

---I can come up with the article if you want to see it again. Not speculation.


USAir Alpa doesn't want it
Simply not true. There you go making crap up again! US ALPA is taking a neutral stance on the issue. Go ask Moak. Yes it bothers me...

---I will find you the article. Not speculation.


Jim Oberstar objects to it
For now. When he gets all the info he'll likely make a final decision then. But for now Speculation.?

--all the info? Hmmmmm. That will be fun!



Good try Uncle Kooter.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Here is your old article on USAir Alpa not wanting this takeover

US Airways Coast-to-Coast Pilots Express Grave Concerns on Proposed Delta Merger
Friday December 8, 4:41 pm ET
CHARLOTTE, N.C., Dec. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Following a meeting with US Airways management on December 6, the leadership of the US Airways and America West pilot groups have expressed significant concerns about the proposed merger with Delta Air Lines. The leaders point out that, by failing to integrate two pilot groups under one contract, US Airways (NYSE: LCC - News) management has not yet properly merged US Airways and America West, demonstrating little chance of completing the merger of a third airline.

Equally important, the pilot groups, both of which are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), International, have determined that US Airways' Delta proposal raises serious issues about the job protections contained in the US Airways and America West contracts, and are questioning the company's ability to move forward with this transaction.

"Management cannot successfully merge without labor on board. We have made it clear that our pilots have zero interest in ratifying a contract that provides them with only minimal gains. US Airways, despite its statements to its investors and the financial community, has not completed the business of integrating US Airways and America West. This failure calls into question their ability to successfully merge three airlines, continue to serve their passengers, deliver dividends to their investors, and maintain a motivated employee base," said Captain John McIlvenna, America West Master Executive Council (MEC) Chairman.
The US Airways and America West pilot groups are insisting that management must address their concerns before proceeding with their plans for any future merger.
"Although they have had ample time and opportunity, US Airways hasn't yet merged US Airways and America West, and they have not integrated the pilot groups under one contract. I don't expect that they will be capable of merging a third airline into the fold. ALPA has determined that job protections are available to the pilots in their contract language, and will continue to protect the interest of all ALPA pilots," said Captain Jack Stephan, US Airways MEC Chairman.
Joint negotiations with US Airways management for a single, fair contract have been ongoing for more than one year, and during this time, the pilots have received only concessionary proposals that resemble the bankruptcy-driven contracts made as pilot investments in the airline during the 9/11 era. Both pilot groups remain focused on the issue of achieving a fair single contract, one that is commensurate with US Airways' position in the marketplace. Founded in 1931, ALPA represents 60,000 pilots at 39 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org.


Has it changed since then? I doubt it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[xanderman]

nothing

Oh, I read them, and I thought it was great you came up with "speculation" for every answer. And I wasn't the only one who thought NWA and DL could be in talks---so did the Wall St Journal. Could my boss be thinking about merging AFTER we exit BK? I bet he could. (I have heard some things, but will hold off a bit)


But I will respond to some of your "Speculation....."

Originally Posted by xanderman
So wait a second here Andy, the deal will NOT fail because the creditors don't want it
Pure speculation. The CC has made no statement either way.

---Sure looks like the creditor committee isn't too hot about your offer--hence the two articles recently posted. Not really speculation.


Bethune doesn't endorse it
How do you know? His statements were vague at best. Speculation!

----Well, his statement about him liking marriage but not forcing two to marry is pretty much saying "he won't force two together that don't fit." You don't have to speculate much about what he is talking about--who is he working for again?



the DOJ doesn't approve of it
Again speculation. They have not even reviewed the case yet.

---You're right. But every Congressman and Senator out there seems against the deal, and they WILL lean on the DOJ, even Oberstar said that.


Dalpa stops it in court due to the PWA
Possibility but not reality yet. Speculation.

----Moak makes it pretty clear, and the BK judge approved it. Even COO Kirby said he would abide by the DL contract if it went through. Sounds like he thinks it would be legal...


Congress decides to lambast it and entangle it in a mess
Speculation! Can you read minds or something? I need the Lotto numbers...
Read again the Phoeinx paper article and tell me about the luke warm reception Parker is getting, and how the AZ delegation hasn't even endorsed the deal. Speculation? Find me one Congressman or Senator that has come out FOR this takeover? I am waiting....



45,000 Delta employees don't want it
So!

--Did you see the Dalpa sponsored billboard truck driving around your PHX headquarters with the billboards reading "Doug Parker is mortgaging your future"? Hillarious. And what about the DL FA's that lambasted Parker in some Congressman's office? Ouch.

11 State Attorney Generals file suit on anti-competitiveness
Maybe! Speculation. Did you say you had those lotto numbers?

---I can come up with the article if you want to see it again. Not speculation.


USAir Alpa doesn't want it
Simply not true. There you go making crap up again! US ALPA is taking a neutral stance on the issue. Go ask Moak. Yes it bothers me...

---I will find you the article. Not speculation.


Jim Oberstar objects to it
For now. When he gets all the info he'll likely make a final decision then. But for now Speculation.?

--all the info? Hmmmmm. That will be fun!



Good try Uncle Kooter.


Bye Bye--General Lee

First off, "Uncle Kooter?!?" Never heard of that. And secondly you still cannot escape the fact that your answers are SPECULATION! Unless you can see the future you have NO idea what is going to happen! Oh but wait... You did have that "which-hand-do-you-slap-your-mother-with?" psych eval there at the big DL didn't you. You got those lotto numbers or not?

I especially liked the remark regarding USAir ALPA. You go ahead and bring that article in here you idiot. I work for the airline you are trying to quote and I can tell you in all truthfulness that the OFFICIAL position of the two MEC's is neutral. Like I said go talk to Moak. You and your article fetish...

 

[xanderman]

whoops!!

US Airways Coast-to-Coast Pilots Express Grave Concerns on Proposed Delta Merger
Friday December 8, 4:41 pm ET
CHARLOTTE, N.C., Dec. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Following a meeting with US Airways management on December 6, the leadership of the US Airways and America West pilot groups have expressed significant concerns about the proposed merger with Delta Air Lines. The leaders point out that, by failing to integrate two pilot groups under one contract, US Airways (NYSE: LCC - News) management has not yet properly merged US Airways and America West, demonstrating little chance of completing the merger of a third airline.

Equally important, the pilot groups, both of which are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), International, have determined that US Airways' Delta proposal raises serious issues about the job protections contained in the US Airways and America West contracts, and are questioning the company's ability to move forward with this transaction.

"Management cannot successfully merge without labor on board. We have made it clear that our pilots have zero interest in ratifying a contract that provides them with only minimal gains. US Airways, despite its statements to its investors and the financial community, has not completed the business of integrating US Airways and America West. This failure calls into question their ability to successfully merge three airlines, continue to serve their passengers, deliver dividends to their investors, and maintain a motivated employee base," said Captain John McIlvenna, America West Master Executive Council (MEC) Chairman.
The US Airways and America West pilot groups are insisting that management must address their concerns before proceeding with their plans for any future merger.
"Although they have had ample time and opportunity, US Airways hasn't yet merged US Airways and America West, and they have not integrated the pilot groups under one contract. I don't expect that they will be capable of merging a third airline into the fold. ALPA has determined that job protections are available to the pilots in their contract language, and will continue to protect the interest of all ALPA pilots," said Captain Jack Stephan, US Airways MEC Chairman.
Joint negotiations with US Airways management for a single, fair contract have been ongoing for more than one year, and during this time, the pilots have received only concessionary proposals that resemble the bankruptcy-driven contracts made as pilot investments in the airline during the 9/11 era. Both pilot groups remain focused on the issue of achieving a fair single contract, one that is commensurate with US Airways' position in the marketplace. Founded in 1931, ALPA represents 60,000 pilots at 39 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org.


Has it changed since then? I doubt it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Great article! Now can you highlight the part that states we are officially against this merger?

Tic toc... tic toc....

Believe me GL this is a hot issue for those of us who do not want this merger. Our very own MEC will not stand up and fight this. Why? I can't even imagine a good reason right now. For me I see no benefit merging with DL unless you are DP...