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Does anyone know what exacly they're testing for as far as the 3rd-class medical? I forgot that I had taken some Claritin allergy tabs maybe a week prior to the exam. I don't use them often, just once in a while. Any chance this will show up??? Or, is everything fine once you are issued the certificate???
 

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For a third class medical the examiner is only looking for blood and excess sugar in your urine. The AME discards your urine after this test. It is up to perspective employers to be DOT compliant and have you drug tested before employment.
 

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flyifrvfr said:
For a third class medical the examiner is only looking for blood and excess sugar in your urine. The AME discards your urine after this test. It is up to perspective employers to be DOT compliant and have you drug tested before employment.
I see. So technically I could have smoked a whole lot of weed for weeks before the exam, and would have passed???
 

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A single OTC antihistamine is authorized by the FAA for pilots when flying, if they have previously tested the medication and do not have any side effects. This antihistamine, Claritin, was formerly available by prescription only. It is the same medication as the prescription formulation Clarinex. See a summary of its effectiveness in the American Family Physician article, Desloratadine for Allergic Rhinitis (Nov 1, 2003).

The over-the-counter products such as chlorpheneramine (Clortrimaton, CTM) and diphenhydramine (Benadryl) found in many commercial products cause drowsiness. They are not permitted by the FAA and a pilot should wait at least twice as long as the dosing recommendation after the last dose to fly. For example, if the directions read take every six hours", the pilot should wait at least twelve hours after the last dose before considering flying. These medications may have subtle adverse effects for much longer in some individuals. Chronic treatment with over the counter antihistamines requires a 24 hour wait after the last dose before flying, according to the FAA Guide for Aviation Medical



stop sweating about the claritin and lay off the weed, that $hit makes you stupid.
 

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Pretty much. The AME is not looking for drugs, you can tell this by the fact that the urine sample doesn't go to a lab. The doctor merely puts a color coded dip in your urine and looks for the color changes. If there is blood, the pink color shows up. I don't know the color for sugar though. A high sugar content means diabetes is possible.
 

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Darn, I was going to ask you for a blunt. On second thought maybe I shouldn't ask you or I will find myself in the penalty box. The moderators lack a sense of humor and find everything I say is offensive.
 

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Thank you both for the info. And no, I don't smoke weed.
So what then? Coke? Meth? Questions like that sound awefully suspect because if your not taking anything illegal, whats the prob? You really think you'll lose your mediacl because you took some Sudafed, come on.
 

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Thank you both for the info. And no, I don't smoke weed.
denial / short term memory loss is a sure sign!
lay off the ghanga Marley, employers test for that $hit.

having those peanut butter munchie cravings at 0300? yeah.....
 

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So what then? Coke? Meth? Questions like that sound awefully suspect because if your not taking anything illegal, whats the prob? You really think you'll lose your mediacl because you took some Sudafed, come on.
Give me a break. I was aware that certain medications were banned by the FAA, and I had no idea what they were testing the urine for. It was a ligitmate question.
 

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PM me sometime if anyone wants to shoot up some narcotics and snort a few lines!!!
 

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if it was a drug test they'll tell ya. you have to sign a bunch of forms and sign the sticker seal they put on the container. im no lawyer but i do believe that it may be illigal to take a drug test without your knowledge of it
 

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So what then? Coke? Meth? Questions like that sound awefully suspect because if your not taking anything illegal, whats the prob? You really think you'll lose your mediacl because you took some Sudafed, come on.
A person has a right to know what they are being tested for and what the consequences of that testing will be.

You're under the assumption that the government is always honest and that people shouldn't ask questions.

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/documents/03315252.asp

Lots of people have been racking up time in prisons because of faulty and negligent prosecution in crimes...some have even been executed. I think unanswered's glib remark was just a joke. He just wanted to know what everyone else has a right to know.
 
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My apologies then. When I was in the military, the only folks that got worked up about the whiz quiz later wound up with UCMJ actions due to hot tests. Generally when there is something to hide people get spooked and start asking questions. Those guys always raised an eyebrow with me and it turned out to be for the right reason.

In regards to the "banned" medications, aren't those just during flight or prior too use? The FAA doesn't want you to use antihistamines because they make one drowy or groggy which can make for an impaired pilot. Wasn't aware there were any banned for use anytime though.
 

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wankel, your avatar is so wrong on SO many levels.... heh heh.
 

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TiredOfTeaching said:
My apologies then. When I was in the military, the only folks that got worked up about the whiz quiz later wound up with UCMJ actions due to hot tests. Generally when there is something to hide people get spooked and start asking questions. Those guys always raised an eyebrow with me and it turned out to be for the right reason.
No need to appologize, I just get worked up over people who use the, "If you got nothing to hide, then..." analogy. In some instances where a question is being asked, it may just be from natural curiosity or from a person who may be wondering what the authority is, who has it and the what, when, where, why and how of it all. Good questions to ask, in my book.

As far as military drug testing? They do it, it's a fact of life and you don't own yourself in the military. Tough luck for those who do drugs and sign a contract with Uncle Sam, I have no sympathy there. Same as it is in the transportation industry. We have to submit to pre-hire drug screening and random drug screening...it's the law and I accept that this is the way things are...it's part of the deal.

Since I don't do drugs (other than caffine, nicotine, alcohol and chocolate) and I don't use any medicines or use any herbal remedies, I don't sweat the random drug screens. It appears that they use a two sample method and they label the samples with your signature, all well and good for protecting them against liability.

I think it's good to know what causes false positives and what a person should do in the event of a false positive. I think that may require questions and I think that an "innocent presumtion" can be assumed when somone asks those questions. I also think that most people can do a google search and find copious amounts of information regarding that subject on the net.

If I haven't bored you enough already...here's an interesting story.

One of my employers sent a form out to us employees, it was sent with a letter that was all "buddy-buddy" about the form and how the company needed it for their rental car/lease car insurance. "It's that time of the year again!" it said.

This form was a consent form, whereby you would authorize any law enforcement officer, Division of Motor Vehicles, National Drivers Registry, clerck of courts, state police, county police, city constable, meter maid, parking utility officer, dog catcher, ordinance enforcement officer, building inspector...and on and on, authorizing the company to have access to anything. It also stipulated no time limit...in other words, if it happend 16 years ago, they wanted to have access to it..."for rental car insurance" purposes.

I just about crapped my pants. There was some discussion amongst the crew and some joker said..."Don't make waves, if you got nothing to hide...sign the form!" That type of mentality almost always initiates a gag reflex, but fortunately, that gag reflex usually distracts me from the "give the loser a web hand across the esophagus" reflex...which helps protect the eating and paying the bills reflex.

I got to talking to another co-worker who refused to sign this turd and we both agreed that there was no way in hell that we were going to give some joker in the office carte blanche to excercise a "corporate patriot act". I had even considered running this form past my attorney for his thoughts on the matter. Eventually, the company sent those few of us that refused to sign the old form, a revised form asking for 3 years look back over the NDR and DMV, which we gladly signed..."for car insurance purposes."

I have been through three 10 year background checks with two 135 companies and one with a 121 company and every time I get a medical, I authorize the FAA to do one look at the NDR. Considering that the company that sent this form was one of those companies, I couldn't believe what they were asking me to sign, in my third year of employment with them. They got a right to ask to see DMV/NDR for insurance purposes and they check those when we're hired and they check them annually. To just up and ask for something that wasn't government required or insurance required, was just too Orwellian.

I reserve the right to question authority...and someday when my co-workers that signed the form are becoming victims of identity theft, because someone possessed questionable and uneccessary information on them and that information gets lost or stolen...I have got a little violin for them.
 
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Pee in a cup for an FAA medical? I've had one doctor make me do that once in 15 years of FAA medicals.


Find a new one. The objective is to be in and out in 5 minutes with a piece of paper.
 
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