Urgent Action Required To Keep Age 60!

[FD109]

Reading comprehension

fd109,

huh?

I think it's time for your nap. You're getting cranky.

asacap,

If you have reading comprehension problems, there are specialists who can help you with that. Or maybe you just need to have your diaper changed.

And, for your information sonny, I only nap in the cockpit. So there!

(This is getting to be fun!)

Regards,
FD109

P.S. Your mother wears Army shoes

 

[asacap]

fd109,

I'm not as young as you may think. I stopped wearing diapers months ago!

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. As the saying goes, "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks", gramps.

 

[FD109]

Gramps and proud of it!

fd109,

I'm not as young as you may think. I stopped wearing diapers months ago!

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. As the saying goes, "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks", gramps.

asacap,

You're right: I guess we will have to disagree about agreeing, or something like that. And, yes, I have been "Gramps" a couple of times. Another asacap made that possible.

By the way, I don't know how he feels about "age 60." You're not him, are you?

On a serious note: When I came into this industry in 1966, I had the privilege of flying with some of the early pioneers in both this industry and in ALPA. Some of those old guys had flown Ford Tri-motors and Fokkers (the wooden ones). Most were just average airline captains (which is pretty darn good). There were a few clinkers, and a few were some of the sharpest people I have ever encountered. It was about the same distribution of talent you find in airline cockpits today. However, there is no way that you will ever convince me that it was fair to make the average ones and the great ones retire just because of a birthday.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that over the next few years in the airline industry, "age 60" may be the least of your worries. Lets hope that I'm wrong and that "age 60" is the biggest problem you'll have to face! I'm particularly concerned about that because I have two regional-captain sons who I desperately want to have as great a career as I did.

Regards,
FD109

P.S. I take back the comment about your mother's Army shoes.

 

[A Squared]

>>>>>And by definition and your logic, we should abolish the seniority system in the airline industry as well, as it has nothing to do with individual merit, hence it is discrimination.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of the senority system myself, but that's a seperate issue.

The senority system is a private arrangement between pilots and airlines. The FAA does not mandate the senority system, nor should they mandate it, nore should thay have regulations which forbid it. That is a labor issue which is not the concern of the FAA.

By the same token, the labor aspects of the age 60 rule should be given absolutely no consideration in the issue of whether to do away with or keep the age 60 rule. It sould be decided solely on the merits of safety arguments. The FAA should not be enacting, or maintaining operational regulations on the basis of whether it is to the economic edvantage of one group of persons or another.

As suggested by Jeff G, If you and your union want to make age 60 retirement a part of your contract for your company, be my guest. I suspect that it will be easy enough to get the airline to agree to that also. That's fine, that's between you and your union and your company. Do not, however, expect the FAA to accomodate your avarice in the Code of Federal Regulations. The purpose of the CFR is to protect the public's interests and safety, not to advance your economic interests over someone elses.

No, I never suggested that we should eliminat all discriminaton.... what I do beleive it that we should not maintain a discriminatory practice merely because if benefits one particular group (at the expense of another) Nor should a discriminatory practice be maintained because "it's always been like that"(it hasn't) That has to be one of the most inane justifications for keeping it.

If the discriminatory practice is necessary to protect the public, well, so be it. Otherwise, let's get rid of it.

 

[asacap]

fd109,

Thanks for taking back the comment about my mothers shoes. You have my respect for your years of flying however, I disagree with you on this issue. I hope your kids have wonderful careers also. What do they think about this? I'm just curious.

asacap

p.s. I take back the gramps comment.

 

[VFR on Top]

chuck yeager still flys fighters at Edwards. he must be in his 80's.

Chuck's hangin' up his g-suit for good next month at the Edwards AFB airshow.

 

[DaveGriffin]

>>>>>And by definition and your logic, we should abolish the seniority system in the airline industry as well, as it has nothing to do with individual merit, hence it is discrimination.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of the senority system myself, but that's a seperate issue.

The senority system is a private arrangement between pilots and airlines. The FAA does not mandate the senority system, nor should they mandate it, nore should thay have regulations which forbid it. That is a labor issue which is not the concern of the FAA.

It's easy to fix the broken seniority system and deal with the age 60 mandatory retirement issue both at the same time.

Implement a USN, LSO-style grading system, from the Inner Marker to touchdown.

Points would be deducted if you blow a tire or cause brake failure turning onto the high-speed taxiway.

A double penalty will occur, depending on poundage and pax injury reports, resulting from projectiles out of the O/H bin.

Seniority should be determined by objective and graded measurement of skill, knowledge, safety practices and general airmanship. It should not be determined by the calendar’s daily turning, every day getting closer and closer to senility and degraded motor-function. Those who can’t make the cut, at age 35 or 65 are released to non-flying.

 

[captjim]

The deadline has been extended I believe to Oct 14th. It took me 5 minutes to help make an impact on my career expactations.