UPS pilots refuse to haul Northwest Airlines struck goods

[Clyde]

Raising the bar

It is time to begin raising the bar. There is still a long way to go in this industry, but it's time to at least arrest the descent.

 

[SWAdude]

Then I guess you need to make sure that every passenger you ever carry was not re-booked at some point from a NWA flight.

I know that SWA does not have interline agreements with other carriers, but virtually the rest of the legacy carriers do with each other. If need be, a NWA PAX could go up to another carriers counter and exchange the ticket easily for that carriers if they agree to do so. Its been done many times in the past.

 

[Yank McCobb]

I know that SWA does not have interline agreements with other carriers, but virtually the rest of the legacy carriers do with each other. If need be, a NWA PAX could go up to another carriers counter and exchange the ticket easily for that carriers if they agree to do so. Its been done many times in the past.

That's kind of my point. That it would be next to impossible for the pilots to have any knowledge at all if a passenger had, at one time or another, been booked on a NWA flight. Of course, the company could refuse to accept the ticket, but I highly doubt any company would take this stance unless they felt they would not or could not get paid for it. If there is money to be made accepting these tickets, they will take them...plain and simple, and there is nothing the crews can do about it nor have any say in the matter.

 

[SWAdude]

That's kind of my point. That it would be next to impossible for the pilots to have any knowledge at all if a passenger had, at one time or another, been booked on a NWA flight. Of course, the company could refuse to accept the ticket, but I highly doubt any company would take this stance unless they felt they would not or could not get paid for it. If there is money to be made accepting these tickets, they will take them...plain and simple, and there is nothing the crews can do about it nor have any say in the matter.

Good point. As well as UPS and the Cargo. How would the pilots know what they are hauling?

 

[radarlove]

Nice way to show UPS management who's boss, but there is plenty of lift out there, anyone can find someone to move something anywhere through 3rd party internet charter. If UPS won't haul the box someone else. In fact a 3rd party broker could ship NWA stuff on UPS and no one would know. I saw this during the 2002 West coast dock strike, all kinds of stuff coming from and going overseas on everything from US to Russian cargo airplanes.

That wasn't a strike, it was a lockout. Big, big difference.

 

[Publishers]

What a crock.....let's make them national hero's or build a monument for this grand jesture...

Of course the shippers are just going to reroute to UPS or someone else and they will get their business.... yeah these are definitely glory bound pilots for their support of the IAM mechanics.

 

[Freight Dog]

No doubt. Northwest ALPA is still mulling over their position.

Sad,
murk

What's even sadder is that it's Duane's airline too.... gotta love ALPA national...

 

[PurpleTail]

Purple: When you "cripple management and their business" what happens to the employess when the company goes into BK?

The employees do what's right...they make a stand, define their value and hold to it AND NOT LET MANAGEMENT BEND THEM OVER FOR YEARS TO COME. If the company goes BK then even management has to look for a new job. The employees find jobs with the stronger companies and the weak and inept die, if even if it does mean making a few changes in life.

Don't you ever wonder where the industry would be today if ANY of the UAir or United labor groups took a stand??? Instead the goverment kept throwing money at a USELESS cause and now look were we are.

 

[Clyde]

What a crock.....let's make them national hero's or build a monument for this grand jesture...

Do we have a say in the construction of our monument?

 

[Freight Dog]

Purple: When you "cripple management and their business" what happens to the employess when the company goes into BK?

Employee paycuts/furloughs is the easiest way to deal with the current problem. That's not to say that it's correct. Even Wall Street agrees that it's not the labor issue, it's the lack of revenue, and no matter how much cutting you do, unless you address the revenue, you'll be in the red. Employees taking a stand could actually force the company to do what's right and address the revenue. The problem is, we have no leadership at ALPA or any other union that's even worth the spit. Same with other labor groups.... the managements took advantage of it, and here we are today...

Good on IPA and the UPS pilot group!!

 

[koko nw]

The employees do what's right...they make a stand, define their value and hold to it AND NOT LET MANAGEMENT BEND THEM OVER FOR YEARS TO COME. If the company goes BK then even management has to look for a new job. The employees find jobs with the stronger companies and the weak and inept die, if even if it does mean making a few changes in life.

Don't you ever wonder where the industry would be today if ANY of the UAir or United labor groups took a stand??? Instead the goverment kept throwing money at a USELESS cause and now look were we are.[/QUOTE]

Pretty bold statement purple.

Thank your lucky star's that YOU do not have to make a "Stand" for the industry.
Your very fortunate to be employed by a profitable company, I just wonder if you would be making those statements if your paycheck and family were on the line.

Enjoy your time at purple.

 

[pilotyip]

Purple I think the UAL employees took a stand, did not we see the "Max Pay to the Last Day" quoted on this board back in 2002?
Then at the last day, they elected that feeding their families on a reduced UAL pay was better than driving a bread truck route and they stayed with the company. It is nearly impossible for a pilot to go from $200K/yr in the cockpit to anything outside of aviation and make a fraction of their old pay.

 

[i'mbatman]

bizjournals.com
UPS pilots refuse to haul Northwest Airlines struck goods
Tuesday August 16, 2:01 pm ET

.............

Northwest Airlines "has an extensive cargo operation and is now actively in the market attempting to line up aircraft and carriers to provide airlift to dodge the effects of a strike. ... UPS pilots have the contractual right to refuse to move airplanes containing struck goods. We will simply set the parking brakes on any UPS plane containing (Northwest Airlines) struck goods."

Good For you guys at UPS!!

Maybe its me but I think people are taking this way out of context.....all the UPS pilots are doing is enforcing their contract. I feel that many here think they are all holding hands and saying that they love NWA etc.......it seems clear to me that they were smart to negotiate a clause like that. I could be wrong......
IB

 

[PurpleTail]

Pretty bold statement purple.

Thank your lucky star's that YOU do not have to make a "Stand" for the industry.
Your very fortunate to be employed by a profitable company, I just wonder if you would be making those statements if your paycheck and family were on the line.

Enjoy your time at purple.

koko~ You are 100% right, it is real easy to sit up in the cheap seats and flap my lips in the wind, I'll give you that. And yes, I count my blessing everyday I ended up where I did. But I also know that my skills at making money are not just limited to avaition. I love being a pilot but I don't have to be a pilot.

Nothing is ever a 'sure thing' and even though I am at a fairly stable company right now that doesn't mean things won't change. I know for a fact, almost, that by the time I retire in 2030 that company funded pensions will be something you only read about in the history books. I try to stay ahead of the game and be prepared, sometimes your right and sometimes you are wrong.

I never want to see anyone lose their job but at the same time I don't want to see what happen to United and UAir again either.

 

[capt. megadeth]

koko~ You are 100% right, it is real easy to sit up in the cheap seats and flap my lips in the wind, I'll give you that. And yes, I count my blessing everyday I ended up where I did. But I also know that my skills at making money are not just limited to avaition. I love being a pilot but I don't have to be a pilot.

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With the way the industry is, what I am surprised about is that people are still getting aviation degrees.

 

[koko nw]

koko~ You are 100% right, it is real easy to sit up in the cheap seats and flap my lips in the wind, I'll give you that. And yes, I count my blessing everyday I ended up where I did. But I also know that my skills at making money are not just limited to avaition. I love being a pilot but I don't have to be a pilot.

Nothing is ever a 'sure thing' and even though I am at a fairly stable company right now that doesn't mean things won't change. I know for a fact, almost, that by the time I retire in 2030 that company funded pensions will be something you only read about in the history books. I try to stay ahead of the game and be prepared, sometimes your right and sometimes you are wrong.

I never want to see anyone lose their job but at the same time I don't want to see what happen to United and UAir again either.

Thank you Purple for your classy reply.

Tailwinds

 

[hoover]

Guess I don't understand this. Struck goods? WTF? The NWA mechanics will be refusing to perform maintenance on NWA planes? What struck goods are the UPS pilots talking about?

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Guess I don't understand this. Struck goods? WTF? The NWA mechanics will be refusing to perform maintenance on NWA planes? What struck goods are the UPS pilots talking about?

Your right, you dont understand this.

 

[fr8doggie]

Guess I don't understand this. Struck goods? WTF? The NWA mechanics will be refusing to perform maintenance on NWA planes? What struck goods are the UPS pilots talking about?

In case you didn't know, NWA has a fleet of 747F's.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

A real union. About time someone stands their ground.