UPS negotiations canceled

[EMBPILOT1]

Look like the mediator has made the decision to keep the contract talks in indef. recess. Sounds like no talks again for the rest of 2006. Does not look good for hiring to resume to what it was last year. Man o man, Management is laughing all the way to the bank and at the IPA.:crying:

 

[PurpleTail]

I am really confused now on how this whole process is supposed to work.

Management and labor group (be it pilots, mechanics, whoever) negotiate for new wages, benefits, work rules, etc. Negotiations stall, breakdown or fail...so one group asks the govenment to step in and help, mediated negotiations.

No progress, labor group released for self help...right???

Why can't UPS get released for self help? How does the company/government get the best of both worlds...talks suspended indefinately and you can NOT get released for self help.

Anyone?

 

[Shrek]

The NMB is under no OBLIGATION to release a party to self-help. Talks can theorhetically go on indefinitely.

Do a google search on Section 6 and the RLA for more info.......

 

[Shamrock1]

I wish I knew, I am just an old redtail furloughee that has lost any understanding of unions over the last few years.

They vote my career away and still make me pay for their Social Security that won't be around when it's my turn to retire.


You guys need any engineers?

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Welcome to the Grand Illusion!

I am really confused now on how this whole process is supposed to work.

Management and labor group (be it pilots, mechanics, whoever) negotiate for new wages, benefits, work rules, etc. Negotiations stall, breakdown or fail...so one group asks the govenment to step in and help, mediated negotiations.

No progress, labor group released for self help...right???

Why can't UPS get released for self help? How does the company/government get the best of both worlds...talks suspended indefinately and you can NOT get released for self help.

Anyone?

Unfortunately American labor has been hoodwinked. The government has failed us and will continue to do so. The constabulary that now exists is merely a tool of the commerce generating entities of this country. They no longer represent you or any inherent fairness that should exist in the 'system'.

The only way this will change is for the herd of sheep to do the hard thing. And I fear that will not happen in my lifetime. Collectively we are used to surviving on table scraps, and the powers that be have no reason to change.

Like Axl Rose so eloquently sang "Welcome to the jungle, it gets worse here every day..."

 

[CaptSeth]

Next time vote for a democrat.

 

[SaabStory]

Next time vote for a democrat.

otherwise know as "Mutually Assured Destruction"...no thanks.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

This time it is the IPA. UPS was not even an issue in this one. Seems to be some in-fighting going on in the union right now. Negotiations were going to take place next week if the mediator felt something would get done. Hard to get things done when the union leadership is not 100% together.

 

[AlbieF15]

300 tough captains could make this happen in 2 weeks. Slooooow downs....late arrivals....max fuel consumption. Its a ugly game but its been done before...

 

[PCL_128]

I am really confused now on how this whole process is supposed to work.

Management and labor group (be it pilots, mechanics, whoever) negotiate for new wages, benefits, work rules, etc. Negotiations stall, breakdown or fail...so one group asks the govenment to step in and help, mediated negotiations.

No progress, labor group released for self help...right???

Why can't UPS get released for self help? How does the company/government get the best of both worlds...talks suspended indefinately and you can NOT get released for self help.

Anyone?

What you describe is exactly how the process under the RLA is supposed to work. Unfortunately, the current Presidential administration has appointed 2 members to the NMB that are anti-labor and pro-management. In theory, this NMB could stall the talks for years. Politically that will be difficult, but they can certainly get away with stalling here and there for a few months at a time.

 

[AlbieF15]

Again--so you think negotiations are SLOW? I'll show you Ssssslllllllllooooooowwwww.

 

[1800 RVR]

May not be all bad...

I'm giving my limited view on this subject and playing devil's advocate:

This may not be a bad thing for us. If some of the rumors are true about crap that may have been TA'd, or original promises made to the membership now being dismissed for new priorities (i.e. fixing FO/SO payslope for increased retirement of those already retired), the reversal of votes may save us from a bad TA. I wasn't going to say anything until a TA came out, but today's actions make me wonder if some rumors are true? Again, I'm a new guy, but I have a brain, can put two and two together (five, right?), but someone that is supposed to be leading us isn't telling the whole story.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Next time vote for a democrat.

Well under the last Dem Prez we saw a mass exodus of American jobs to China, Mexico, et.al. The current one has done nothing to stop it. Bottom line is don't put your faith/trust in a politician. Now back to the thread........

 

[CaptSeth]

What you describe is exactly how the process under the RLA is supposed to work. Unfortunately, the current Presidential administration has appointed 2 members to the NMB that are anti-labor and pro-management. In theory, this NMB could stall the talks for years. Politically that will be difficult, but they can certainly get away with stalling here and there for a few months at a time.

Well, at least someone around here gets it.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I am really confused now on how this whole process is supposed to work.

RLA is VERY simple! Click on the link for an easy to read flow chart to see how RLA works for YOU as a hard working member of labor!!

http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm

 

[FLYLOW22]

Seriously though.... here's the real link on how RLA "works".

http://www.iamaw.org/publications/rla/

 

[FLYLOW22]

Why can't UPS get released for self help?

One word: Bush.

 

[GVFlyer]

Next time vote for a democrat.

Yeah, that'll fix everything...

GV

 

[capt. megadeth]

Next time vote for a democrat.

Yeah, I'm sure they give a $hit about you and I.

 

[LarryinTN]

300 tough captains could make this happen in 2 weeks.

Somebody was doing it in February. I had a 23 minute taxi at MHR (usually about 5 minutes) because we got behind a UPS 757 that was taxiing slower than a tired turtle. Ground/Tower tried to speed him up but he seemed to get even slower. Don't understand why he didn't just let us by as that would have slowed him down even more.

 

[av8trix]

Wait for it...

I'm giving my limited view on this subject and playing devil's advocate:

This may not be a bad thing for us. If some of the rumors are true about crap that may have been TA'd, or original promises made to the membership now being dismissed for new priorities (i.e. fixing FO/SO payslope for increased retirement of those already retired), the reversal of votes may save us from a bad TA. I wasn't going to say anything until a TA came out, but today's actions make me wonder if some rumors are true? Again, I'm a new guy, but I have a brain, can put two and two together (five, right?), but someone that is supposed to be leading us isn't telling the whole story.

You are definitely on to something. On the bright side, maybe FedEx's contract will get ironed out and we can use theirs to improve ours. I have a lot of respect for the guys that spoke up, but they probably should have picked a different forum than at the table in front of Puchula. Don't know the whole story, wasn't there, but there were certainly a couple EB/NCers at the hub last night trying to point fingers and save face. I'm sure the over 60 FEs that have just been waiting for this thing so they can retire are about to go postal. It looks like we've given the company what the union has been warning us about all along...a divided front. I sure hope we can get it together.

 

[capt. megadeth]

It looks like we've given the company what the union has been warning us about all along...a divided front. I sure hope we can get it together.

I agree but from what I am hearing, supposedly the 2 negotiators spoke up because scheduling rules and FO pay were going to be sacrificed to give the soon to be retirees a great A plan that you and I surely won't ever see. I wish we weren't divided, but unfortunately I don't think Joe Blow who is 62 cares what my pay and quality of life is going to be as long as he gets a good retirement. Sad but probably true.

 

[ultrarunner]

Hard to get things done when the union leadership is not 100% together.

And even harder when no one is even at the table. I suppose if there were any sense of urgency, the MEC would suck it up and sit down with the company and knock it out. But apparently that is not the case?

 

[FLYLOW22]

From what I've heard, there is still a strong, "go... go... go", CAN DO attitude at UPS among the pilot force. Perhaps some of the crews need to revisit the cockpit schematic in order to become requainted with the parking brake. It solves many problems.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

I agree but from what I am hearing, supposedly the 2 negotiators spoke up because scheduling rules and FO pay were going to be sacrificed to give the soon to be retirees a great A plan that you and I surely won't ever see. I wish we weren't divided, but unfortunately I don't think Joe Blow who is 62 cares what my pay and quality of life is going to be as long as he gets a good retirement. Sad but probably true.

I am hearing the same thing. Seems we have one group looking out for the old folks and one group trying to look out for those of us that will be here a while. The union is divided, the company knows it, and it will cost all of us down the road.