UPS buys the old Emery Worldwide operation

[barto727]

ups forwarding menlo buyout

menlo was bought buy a non union holding company of ups so maybe the contractors will stay

 

[barto727]

ups remember contracts pilots got ups were they are today and they dumped them

rember what started ups was contract pilots

 

[barto727]

ups hiring 100

well ipa that hardly takes over the menlo flying guess ups is really interesed in your SCOPE clause

 

[Rhoid]

It doesn't matter if Menlo was bought by a "holding" company of UPS or not, they are going to brand it as UPS freight, therefore it will be flown by IPA pilots, obviously not starting tomorrow but you will see UPS displacing the contractors.

You contract pilots need to quit whining, UPS did not buy your company, you are not entitled to a job at UPS. If you want a job, they are now hiring, apply like all the rest and take your chances.

Obviously most of the contractors will have to stay in place for awhile as UPS does not have the airframes or crews to take over in DAY immediately even if they wanted to now.


Barto727, where do you come up with the idea that Menlo was bought by a non-union holding company of UPS? If you are referring to Supply Chain Solutions, they are a part of UPS and as such are covered by IPA scope.

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

All anyone needs to know about the way UPS operates is to look at Challenge Air Cargo. The Menlo deal will be just more of the same. Bend over boys. Oh, and Rhoid, glad you are so axious to be a part of such a great company. After all, if they can do it to someone else, they can sure as sh!t do it to you.

 

[kevdog]

Rhoid,

Just think, when you have 1500TT you can get hired by UPS. Oh, I guess getting 1000 hours Turbine/Jet PIC might impede you. Maybe you'll work for a company that will be bought out by UPS just as you are about to upgrade to captain. Keep flying those trainer twins!

 

[barto727]

rhiod you got the brown nosing down but you dont have the flying time

good thing you know so much check when UPS hired anyone with 3 times your time i know i guy that has twice your time and drives truck for ups and was a manger and they wont let him fly he has been with the company over 30 years let us know when you get hired

 

[410dude]

Just talked to someone in the know out at UPS, he said no changes are likely, at worst there will be one or two UPS widebodies there in Dayton to pick up the added volume. Right now they usually sort about 2 millions lbs. a night at Dayton, it most likely will go to 3 million with UPS using the space. Still UPS likes cheap non-union labor, so unless the UPS pilots union gets some sort of legal injunction against this, it will just be the same. Express.net, World, Custom Air Transport, etc. will still handle the bulk of Dayton freight. Oh yea, Ryan is gone they no longer have a contract with Emery, it was all picked up by Custom Air Transport and Express.net. So who really knows? It will be a few years before UPS really makes serious labor changes there, unless they pay Tony Romeo (CAT owner) a large buyout on the contract, which doesn't make sense.

Boy, you got that all wrong didn't you!

 

[410dude]

Does the IPA plan on forcing UPS to hiring those of us who are current contractors for Emery?? After all we have not taken anyone's job, we already work here! I get tired of hearing the crying from union guys about how they have to keep such a close eye on their jobs or someone non union might come in and "scab" em'. Well it sounds to me as if you IPA guys love the idea of taking our jobs, where is the fairness in that?

Since when do you or any other CONTRACTOR "work" for Menlo/Emery? I'm fairly certain that NO IPA pilot would want YOUR job!!!!

 

[pipejockey]

Well I'm not IPA, or any union for that matter, and I sure as h ell wouldn't want your job based on the aircraft you are currently flying. And nothing has changed in Dayton during the last 10 months so what are you talking about??

 

[boomlrd]

WTF410Dudue?

Nothing has changed here in Dayton, so what are you talking about 410Dude?? We are still flying the freight at CAT and will continue to do so as my previous post had stated.

 

[pipejockey]

I don't recall anyone saying CAT will be flying Emery freight forever! But my particular response was for the guy saying how much has changed in Dayton since last year. He obviously doesn't know what is going on there because absolutely nothing has changed except the occasional visit by some Nazi Party members errrr I mean UPS people. CAT will continue to fly freight out of Dayton for the rest of the year and probably be phased out in 2006. Let me tell you, those UPS people would have been perfect for the Gestapo or the Waffen SS. Oh and nobody has ever been furloghed from CAT to make room for any other sort of pilot. Whoever told you that is a liar!

 

[I.P. Freley]

Not some scumbag contractor.

Cute.

 

[FreightNazi]

I don't recall anyone saying CAT will be flying Emery freight forever! But my particular response was for the guy saying how much has changed in Dayton since last year. He obviously doesn't know what is going on there because absolutely nothing has changed except the occasional visit by some Nazi Party members errrr I mean UPS people. CAT will continue to fly freight out of Dayton for the rest of the year and probably be phased out in 2006. Let me tell you, those UPS people would have been perfect for the Gestapo or the Waffen SS. Oh and nobody has ever been furloghed from CAT to make room for any other sort of pilot. Whoever told you that is a liar!

You got a problem with our managers?

 

[FreightNazi]

The heavy freight sort in SDF won't be completed till around summer of '06 and the IPA has to take over the Menlo flying by the end of December '05 so it sounds like we might be flying out of DAY till the sort in SDF is ready.

 

[pipejockey]

You got a problem with our managers?

HAHA, quite fitting someone with an ID like yours would reply. You know what I'm talking about then. They are about as rigid as a board with the occasional fake smile crossing there face. It was kind of embarrassing being there with some of those CAT pilots with their raggedy and tattered stripes or uniform shirt with no T-shirt underneath. That doesn't make for a very good impression for those of us who might like to work at UPS someday. They will see CAT on the resume and say "that disheveled bunch? no way!!"

I hope you are right about taking over the flying at the end of the year. I am tired of everything being on hold while we wait for what is to come next, even if it means finding another job. No sense staying around CAT if there is no future here.

I am curious, does UPS have 30 extra aircraft just waiting around to do something? By the way, I would love to become a fellow Nazi. I can even fly the 727. How about helping me out??

 

[I.P. Freley]

the IPA has to take over the Menlo flying by the end of December '05

Apparently this is not quite correct, as at least one of the Menlo operators just signed with UPS to operate through September of '06.

 

[Clyde]

Apparently this is not quite correct, as at least one of the Menlo operators just signed with UPS to operate through September of '06.

Who is the operator?

 

[boomlrd]

Express.net

 

[Clyde]

Apparently this is not quite correct, as at least one of the Menlo operators just signed with UPS to operate through September of '06.

Just curious if anybody knows the conditions of the "contract". I say this because everybody seems to hear of agreements and/or contracts being signed within the industry, but seldom does anyone ever know the details. For all we know, this could be a contract for Express.Net to provide only ground handling services.