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CitationLover
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I had a Beech Capt I was flying with once deny an AA jumpseater, there were two of them. He was sick of being denied on AA due to their "rules".
The AA pilot was flabbergasted and the conversation went....
B1900Cpt "How many jumpseats do you have on your 737?"
AA Pilot "One."
B1900Cpt "Thats how many I have."
Thankfully I have never been denied and all are welcome on my bus.
The AA pilot was flabbergasted and the conversation went....
B1900Cpt "How many jumpseats do you have on your 737?"
AA Pilot "One."
B1900Cpt "Thats how many I have."
Thankfully I have never been denied and all are welcome on my bus.
FlyingDawg
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I don't have a dog in this fight (I'm not flying 121 yet), but I feel your pain.
Here's a suggestion: print up a bunch of cards and hand them out to any pilots you give jumpseats to who are from majors that don't provide unlimited jumpseats, or at least don't provide as many jumpseats as you do.
The card could say something like:
Dear Fellow Pilot:
I am happy to provide you a jumpseat on my flight. My flight crew and I will do everything possible to provide you with courteous, professional service to get you to your job on time. We recognize the importance of this. I and many other crewmembers at my airline rely on the courtesy of pilots such as yourself to get to our jobs as well.
However, as you know, your airline severely restricts the number of jumpseaters allowed regardless of how many open seats are available in the cabin. I would like to ask you to submit a request to your jumpseat committee that the number of jumpseats you can offer be expanded to match those offered by airlines such as ours.
Thank you for your support.
Here's a suggestion: print up a bunch of cards and hand them out to any pilots you give jumpseats to who are from majors that don't provide unlimited jumpseats, or at least don't provide as many jumpseats as you do.
The card could say something like:
Dear Fellow Pilot:
I am happy to provide you a jumpseat on my flight. My flight crew and I will do everything possible to provide you with courteous, professional service to get you to your job on time. We recognize the importance of this. I and many other crewmembers at my airline rely on the courtesy of pilots such as yourself to get to our jobs as well.
However, as you know, your airline severely restricts the number of jumpseaters allowed regardless of how many open seats are available in the cabin. I would like to ask you to submit a request to your jumpseat committee that the number of jumpseats you can offer be expanded to match those offered by airlines such as ours.
Thank you for your support.
Sleepyhead
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"....I would like to ask you to submit a request to your jumpseat committee that the number of jumpseats you can offer be expanded to match those offered by airlines such as ours."
Keep in mind, the jumpseat committee probably has no control of the policy. They can ask management, but as with all things in pilot vs management, it would have to be negoiated which means the pilot group would have to give up something. Don't blame the crews, I don't think there is any pilot group that wants to restrict the jumseat, the policy comes from management.
Keep in mind, the jumpseat committee probably has no control of the policy. They can ask management, but as with all things in pilot vs management, it would have to be negoiated which means the pilot group would have to give up something. Don't blame the crews, I don't think there is any pilot group that wants to restrict the jumseat, the policy comes from management.
Rez O. Lewshun
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Why No Unlimited j/s on the majors?
The reason there is no unlimited on the majors is becuase there is no free travel for the employees when jumpseating became common. (in the 80's). Even if gate agents, rampers and cleaners have to pay $5 to ride on thier own airline it is still five bucks. Why should they allow off line pilots to fill up the cabin under the title of jumpseat for free?
In order for unlimited off line jumpseating to occur, the major airline pilots have to first negotiate free travel for every employee (FA's rampers, cleaners, gate agents, etc...) then they have to negotiate unlimited for the off line pilots. A two step process that will take alot of negotiating captial. The major airline pilots ask themselves, what do I give up to allow off line pilots to j/s... Pay? Work rules...?
In this current airline environment I don't think unlimited in the majors is coming any time soon.
In a black and white world should a major pilot accept unlimted j/s if his airline cannot offer it back? The world is grey. However, the majors will say, we offer international jumpseat. Two considerations... who cares about international. A destination is a destination. If my airline does EAS, and Capt. B. 747 needs to ride my BE-1900 to get home, then that destination is the most important to him. Who cares about Heathrow, Rome and Paris. Also, American and CAL won't let you use international unless your airline reciprocates... (although the Capts are cool and let ya on sometimes...)
I have always thought as individuals we should take the high road and let the major airline pilots ride anyway...but I will tell them to take off thier scope badge when they make the j/s requests. They can pick it up on the way out.....
The reason there is no unlimited on the majors is becuase there is no free travel for the employees when jumpseating became common. (in the 80's). Even if gate agents, rampers and cleaners have to pay $5 to ride on thier own airline it is still five bucks. Why should they allow off line pilots to fill up the cabin under the title of jumpseat for free?
In order for unlimited off line jumpseating to occur, the major airline pilots have to first negotiate free travel for every employee (FA's rampers, cleaners, gate agents, etc...) then they have to negotiate unlimited for the off line pilots. A two step process that will take alot of negotiating captial. The major airline pilots ask themselves, what do I give up to allow off line pilots to j/s... Pay? Work rules...?
In this current airline environment I don't think unlimited in the majors is coming any time soon.
In a black and white world should a major pilot accept unlimted j/s if his airline cannot offer it back? The world is grey. However, the majors will say, we offer international jumpseat. Two considerations... who cares about international. A destination is a destination. If my airline does EAS, and Capt. B. 747 needs to ride my BE-1900 to get home, then that destination is the most important to him. Who cares about Heathrow, Rome and Paris. Also, American and CAL won't let you use international unless your airline reciprocates... (although the Capts are cool and let ya on sometimes...)
I have always thought as individuals we should take the high road and let the major airline pilots ride anyway...but I will tell them to take off thier scope badge when they make the j/s requests. They can pick it up on the way out.....
mckpickle
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AirnetMJG said:
Air Wisconsin (2 only)
Air Tran ($25 fee after 1st jumpseat rider)
Alaska Airlines
Allegheny Airlines
Aloha Airlines
Aloha Island Air (Hawaii Island Air)
America West
American Trans Air
Atlantic Southeast
Atlantic Coast Airlines
Atlas Air
Big Sky Airlines
Cape Air
Casino Express
Chautauqua (except American Connection)
Chicago Express
Colgan Air
Comair
Continental Express
DHL Airways*
ERA
Evergreen Int'l*
Express One Int'l
Express.Net
FedEx*
Frontier
Great Plains
Gulfstream Int'l
Hawaiian Airlines
Horizon Airlines
JetBlue Airways
Kallita
Kitty Hawk (only 2)
Mesa
Northwest (only 2)
Pace Airlines
Piedmont Airlines
Pinnacle (only 3)
Polar Air Cargo
PSA
Ryan Int'l Airlines
Skywest
Southwest (only 2)
Shuttle America
Spirit Airlines
Tradewinds
Trans States (only 2)
UPS*
US Airways
USA 3000
This is the latest list I have. Southwest will take unlimmitted for a select number of airlines that are on their "unlimmited" list.
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English
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dispatcher121 said:English said:not sure how you know this to be a fact. QUOTE]
That was the exception not the rule. I have a copy of their jumpseat policy in front of me....want one?
No, I'll give you one instead.
This is from the ALPA website regarding Alaska's jumpseat policy...
A Guide to U.S. Airline Jumpseat Policies
Alaska
The jumpseat is offered to any carrier that has a reciprocal agreement with Alaska. Obtain a jumpseat form at the gate for domestic flights and at the ticket counter for international flights departing non-US stations. A jumpseat may be scheduled in advance only through the chief pilot’s office. Casual attire is acceptable, and certificate and company ID are required. The carrier offers international jumpseats. Call 1-800-426-0333 for flight information. Will accept as many jumpseaters as there are open seats in the cabin.
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Singlecoil
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Delta Rocks.....but only two seats or less at a time
I just got back from a quick trip to MCO from BNA. I have to say, Delta really does treat JS'ers well. I do tend to approach the whole thing from the "beggars can't be choosers" viewpoint, but I have never gotten a raw deal from DL. I have never had to sit in back when there is an empty seat in first, and even in the back have been treated well. They do have a limit (but I have seen CPT's bend that rule). Just my nickel's worth.......
I just got back from a quick trip to MCO from BNA. I have to say, Delta really does treat JS'ers well. I do tend to approach the whole thing from the "beggars can't be choosers" viewpoint, but I have never gotten a raw deal from DL. I have never had to sit in back when there is an empty seat in first, and even in the back have been treated well. They do have a limit (but I have seen CPT's bend that rule). Just my nickel's worth.......
cargoflyr69
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Just to reinforce some of the previous postings about USAirways....... they are great! They treated me like a king in 1st class of an A330. The captains insisted that I take 1st, both ways. On the way back, 1st was full and the captain was actually upset. But whatever, I was just happy to have a way home.
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