United will increase RJ flying!

[mynameisjim]

Isn't there an exception for Air Wisconsin to fly 85 seat aircraft for United. Obviously Air Wisc lost the contract, but United could always give it back using next generation RJs.

Stirrin' the pot...

 

[CHQ Pilot]

unless somethign has changed over at RAH but the J4J pilots start at the bottom of the senioirty list but their pay is different than a 1st year pilot.

I "think" J4J start at 2nd year united pay.

Is the agreement for UAL J4J still in effect or would it have to be renegotiated? I can't remember the SL, but if it is still in effect can they "refill" the UAL tails for J4J and send RAH pilots to the street? If it has to be renegotiated, then I would expect some pretty strong demands this time, especially if new aircraft are being added.

 

[BoilerUP]

Isn't there an exception for Air Wisconsin to fly 85 seat aircraft for United. Obviously Air Wisc lost the contract, but United could always give it back using next generation RJs.

Yes, there is.

 

[Beetle007]

Stirrin' the pot...

Sorry...You caught me. Obviously it will never happen and there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

[blott]

J4J was for US Airways.

here are a few sections.

3. As J4J aircraft are acquired by the Company, fifty percent (50%) of the Captain and First
Officer vacancies will be filled by J4J pilots and the remaining fifty percent (50%) will be filled by pilots on the
Chautauqua Seniority list.

B. Seniority/Longevity/pay rates
1. The names of any U pilot (including any MDA pilot hired pursuant to LOA #91 or LOA #93)
accepting employment with Chautauqua Airlines Inc; Republic Airlines Inc; Shuttle America, Inc. or any other
Airline Operating Certificate acquired by Republic Airways Holding Inc. will be attached to the bottom of the
Chautauqua Airlines Pilots System Seniority List in effect at such time of commencement of employment
with the Company in accordance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
2. Any U pilot accepting employment pursuant to LOA #91 and LOA #93 with the Company will
be required to serve a 12-month probationary period, regardless of position in which employed.”
3. MDA pilots filling Company Captain vacancies will carry over their MDA longevity for pay
purposes and MDA pilots filling Company First Officer vacancies will be paid at the top of the Company’s
First Officer pay rates.

C. Reductions in Force
1. Other than Jet for Jobs Aircraft
The Company is required to maintain the fifty percent (50%) ratio on all jets acquired under a Jet for Jobs
Agreement, and thus any reduction in force in non Jet for Jobs Aircraft resulting in displacements or
furloughs would come from the Company work force exclusive of the U pilots
C. Reductions in Force
1. Other than Jet for Jobs Aircraft
The Company is required to maintain the fifty percent (50%) ratio on all jets acquired under a Jet for Jobs
Agreement, and thus any reduction in force in non Jet for Jobs Aircraft resulting in displacements or
furloughs would come from the Company work force exclusive of the U pilots.
2. Jet for Jobs Aircraft
If there is a reduction in force because of the removal of a jet provided for in a Jet for Jobs Agreement,
displacements and any subsequent furloughs will be amongst all pilots, U pilots and non U pilots on the
Chautauqua Pilots System Seniority List. The Company will still have to maintain the fifty percent (50%) ratio
on any remaining Jets for Jobs Aircraft.

D. Restrictions
1. Any U pilot who voluntarily bids for flying outside the aircraft covered by any Jets for Jobs
terms and conditions will cease to be a U pilot covered by any US Airways/ALPA Jets For Jobs Agreement
and will no longer be afforded the protections of any current or subsequent Jets For Jobs Agreement
reached between US Airways and ALPA, so long as he/she remains in the employ of the Company.
2. In the event of a reduction of the number of aircraft flown by the Company under code sharing
agreements with US Airways, jets for Jobs aircraft shall be eliminated first before a reduction in the number
of US Airways non-Jets for Jobs aircraft.
3. Any new pilot base created because of the acquisition of any Jets operating under any US
Airways/ALPA Jets for Jobs Agreement, including current aircraft operating under a Jet for Jobs Agreement
and Aircraft acquired under LOA #91 and LOA #93, must be staffed at least fifty percent(50%) by non-U
pilots.


I don't think there any J4J's left other than the ones that wanted to stay on at CHQ(RAH)

B

 

[UALjan15]

Who cares what the US Airways J4J program was? It was much different from UAL program.

UA pilots are still under same contract as 2003/2004 when furloughees were flying with Skywest/Mesa/Republic, so I think the side letter deal would still apply.

Lots of misinformation flying around, so a few specifics. Furloughed dudes went into new hire classes for the right seat of the RJ at second year RJ pay; no interview required. No regional pilots were lost as a result of this--some street hires had to wait 1 or 2 classes for their slot, but otherwise it was no harm to established regional pilots. You had to wait for upgrade until you could hold it, just like any other new hire. The number of these "opportunities" was tied to the number of 70 seaters on the property doing UAL flying.

 

[Socalplt]

There's at least a couple of these pilots that stayed at SkyWest fearing they'd be furloughed again after a short time back at UA. Looks like it might not have been a bad decision now. There in the top 40-45% of the seniority list now.

 

[UALjan15]

There's at least a couple of these pilots that stayed at SkyWest fearing they'd be furloughed again after a short time back at UA. Looks like it might not have been a bad decision now. There in the top 40-45% of the seniority list now.

Hey Socal--

Was the 70 seat pay ever fixed, or is it still the same as 50 seat pay?

 

[OPECJet]

I was complaining about our ex President at Delta who wanted more RJs after 9-11, saying business people wanted "frequency"---not comfort. Then he moved to another airline, and never added RJs there. Sorry about the rant.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Giving up that scope that allowed the RJs in the first place hurts, doesn't it?