United will increase RJ flying!

[atlcrashpad]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! More RJ's!!! Yayyyyyyyyy!!! Is skywest hiring? I have 100 hours? Can I get a jet out of training? How long is the upgrade?

Jeesh.

FARVA.... you're back on radio duty.... bouyyyyyyyyyy...

 

[SVA_402]

Those "new" planes should have UAL furloughs in the left seat.

UAL wont buy them, so why should the UAL guys get flowback into our seats if we dont get flowthrough into theirs?

 

[BoilerUP]

UAL wont buy them, so why should the UAL guys get flowback into our seats if we dont get flowthrough into theirs?

Probably for the same reason that Chautauqua pilots first allowed J4J pilots into their left seats a few years back - GROWTH.

 

[bluefin]

If it wasn't for management handing our jobs out like lollipops, you wouldn't have one!!! You have a job at the expense of my family. It's not your fault, but it is the honest F@#$%^& truth.

 

[Jmoney]

The majors need to stop paying for all of the gas at the regionals and start pumping that money into their own companies. They are just giving away their "profits" or lack there of under the current business plans which evidently dont work. yet they keep doing the same things over and over, what a great plan

What they really need to do is get rid of the worthless greedy mgmt teams that have done nothing but destroy good airlines.

Fly DC-9s back and forth to LBB all you want.... Maybe you could just upgrade to a 757-about the same burn.......

You could make tons of money by flying big-ass planes around to small cities all the time! You could make a pant-load-if you happen to own a freaking oil field!

-You, sir, should be given an airline of your very own and run it this way to prove us small-minded simpletons wrong.....

 

[Superpilot92]

Fly DC-9s back and forth to LBB all you want.... Maybe you could just upgrade to a 757-about the same burn.......

You could make tons of money by flying big-ass planes around to small cities all the time! You could make a pant-load-if you happen to own a freaking oil field!

-You, sir, should be given an airline of your very own and run it this way to prove us small-minded simpletons wrong.....

NWA doesnt fly DC9s to LBB, sorry. Although that would be a great overnight with the Texas Tech Chicks running around :beer:

 

[rickair7777]

Depends on what, if any, scope protections UAL has in place. Anyone know the answer?

Basically, here's what it looks like and it's not pretty. Any UAL guys who have a better understanding, please correct me.

Up to 50% of UAL flying can be regional.

They generally can't use regionals for flights which are economical with mainline (there is a specified test for "economical" but I'm SURE the price of oil will cause any route to the fail the test today.) Note that this does not apply to city-pairs, but specific flights...if they decide to go from one daily 737 to three daily flights, it's easy to show that the 73 is not economical on all three flights, so they can use RJ's (and park the 73).

They can add as many 50-seaters as they like. Larger RJ's must include J-for-J opportunities to furloughed UAL pilots...but no mention of seat, so I assume they probably start at the bottom.

 

[BUDDHA145]

lets dont forget that FKN mastermind in this crap is management not the pilot groups!!!

but we all know how we roll!!!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

unless somethign has changed over at RAH but the J4J pilots start at the bottom of the senioirty list but their pay is different than a 1st year pilot.

I "think" J4J start at 2nd year united pay.

 

[Beetle007]

Nothing over 70 seats permitted per scope.

Isn't there an exception for Air Wisconsin to fly 85 seat aircraft for United. Obviously Air Wisc lost the contract, but United could always give it back using next generation RJs.

 

[mynameisjim]

Isn't there an exception for Air Wisconsin to fly 85 seat aircraft for United. Obviously Air Wisc lost the contract, but United could always give it back using next generation RJs.

Stirrin' the pot...

 

[CHQ Pilot]

unless somethign has changed over at RAH but the J4J pilots start at the bottom of the senioirty list but their pay is different than a 1st year pilot.

I "think" J4J start at 2nd year united pay.

Is the agreement for UAL J4J still in effect or would it have to be renegotiated? I can't remember the SL, but if it is still in effect can they "refill" the UAL tails for J4J and send RAH pilots to the street? If it has to be renegotiated, then I would expect some pretty strong demands this time, especially if new aircraft are being added.

 

[BoilerUP]

Isn't there an exception for Air Wisconsin to fly 85 seat aircraft for United. Obviously Air Wisc lost the contract, but United could always give it back using next generation RJs.

Yes, there is.

 

[Beetle007]

Stirrin' the pot...

Sorry...You caught me. Obviously it will never happen and there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

[blott]

J4J was for US Airways.

here are a few sections.

3. As J4J aircraft are acquired by the Company, fifty percent (50%) of the Captain and First
Officer vacancies will be filled by J4J pilots and the remaining fifty percent (50%) will be filled by pilots on the
Chautauqua Seniority list.

B. Seniority/Longevity/pay rates
1. The names of any U pilot (including any MDA pilot hired pursuant to LOA #91 or LOA #93)
accepting employment with Chautauqua Airlines Inc; Republic Airlines Inc; Shuttle America, Inc. or any other
Airline Operating Certificate acquired by Republic Airways Holding Inc. will be attached to the bottom of the
Chautauqua Airlines Pilots System Seniority List in effect at such time of commencement of employment
with the Company in accordance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
2. Any U pilot accepting employment pursuant to LOA #91 and LOA #93 with the Company will
be required to serve a 12-month probationary period, regardless of position in which employed.”
3. MDA pilots filling Company Captain vacancies will carry over their MDA longevity for pay
purposes and MDA pilots filling Company First Officer vacancies will be paid at the top of the Company’s
First Officer pay rates.

C. Reductions in Force
1. Other than Jet for Jobs Aircraft
The Company is required to maintain the fifty percent (50%) ratio on all jets acquired under a Jet for Jobs
Agreement, and thus any reduction in force in non Jet for Jobs Aircraft resulting in displacements or
furloughs would come from the Company work force exclusive of the U pilots
C. Reductions in Force
1. Other than Jet for Jobs Aircraft
The Company is required to maintain the fifty percent (50%) ratio on all jets acquired under a Jet for Jobs
Agreement, and thus any reduction in force in non Jet for Jobs Aircraft resulting in displacements or
furloughs would come from the Company work force exclusive of the U pilots.
2. Jet for Jobs Aircraft
If there is a reduction in force because of the removal of a jet provided for in a Jet for Jobs Agreement,
displacements and any subsequent furloughs will be amongst all pilots, U pilots and non U pilots on the
Chautauqua Pilots System Seniority List. The Company will still have to maintain the fifty percent (50%) ratio
on any remaining Jets for Jobs Aircraft.

D. Restrictions
1. Any U pilot who voluntarily bids for flying outside the aircraft covered by any Jets for Jobs
terms and conditions will cease to be a U pilot covered by any US Airways/ALPA Jets For Jobs Agreement
and will no longer be afforded the protections of any current or subsequent Jets For Jobs Agreement
reached between US Airways and ALPA, so long as he/she remains in the employ of the Company.
2. In the event of a reduction of the number of aircraft flown by the Company under code sharing
agreements with US Airways, jets for Jobs aircraft shall be eliminated first before a reduction in the number
of US Airways non-Jets for Jobs aircraft.
3. Any new pilot base created because of the acquisition of any Jets operating under any US
Airways/ALPA Jets for Jobs Agreement, including current aircraft operating under a Jet for Jobs Agreement
and Aircraft acquired under LOA #91 and LOA #93, must be staffed at least fifty percent(50%) by non-U
pilots.


I don't think there any J4J's left other than the ones that wanted to stay on at CHQ(RAH)

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