United will increase RJ flying!

[TAWS]

Can someone who actually has access to the UAL scope contract actually enlighten us as to how this would affect the regionals.
There is alot of discussion about this affecting scope, but I thought it was a straight 70 seat deal.

Disclaimer: I have friends over there that will be hitting the street because of all this, so NO - I'm not salivating over the thought of increased RJ flying.

 

[Superpilot92]

Who is "they?" Define good airlines?

They = UAL

good airline = yet to be determined

 

[Max Powers]

Those "new" planes should have UAL furloughs in the left seat.

No because the "Senior good old boys" at ALPA only care about their fat little jobs way up in that seniority list. What do they do to protect their position. Sell out the flying to Express carriers where young eager pilots are willing to work for nothing at the hopes of making to the majors. And because there are no opportunities out there for them.

In other words the youth of this world are subsidizing the geezers - hi level of living. Old people are fleecing their young. When you look at everything from Medicare to Social Security to Unions.

Yes, promises where made to the older generations but the Govt. can't keep these promises. Your soulution? Rack up our debt and let the younger generations deal with it. IT'S THE REPUBLICAN WAY!!!!!!

 

[maxblast72]

My guess is most of this increase in capacity is just upsizing from 50 seat RJs to 70 seats RJs plus a little increase in stage length as they take over more mainline routes. I doubt the total number of express airplanes or jobs is increasing.

 

[johnsonrod]

My guess is that we'll be seeing more CR7s, CR9s and E170s in the coming months (as fast as they can crank them out). The E135/140 fleet should slowly decrease. Those Q400s are looking more attractive nowadays and we should see more out there too.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

No those airplanes should have UAL employees in all the crew seats.

Even better, but will never happen thanks to UAL Mis-management.

 

[Superpilot92]

My guess is that we'll be seeing more CR7s, CR9s and E170s in the coming months (as fast as they can crank them out). The E135/140 fleet should slowly decrease. Those Q400s are looking more attractive nowadays and we should see more out there too.

Depends on what, if any, scope protections UAL has in place. Anyone know the answer?

 

[eaglesview]

My guess is that we'll be seeing more CR7s, CR9s and E170s in the coming months (as fast as they can crank them out). The E135/140 fleet should slowly decrease. Those Q400s are looking more attractive nowadays and we should see more out there too.

Nothing over 70 seats permitted per scope.

 

[Lampshade]

United has a RFP out for about a month for Q400 and CRJ50/70, which is either to replace mesa or cover the increased flying.

 

[meyers9163]

One company...

AWAC

There's been a lot of talk going on between the two. Guess we will have to wait to see what happens.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! More RJ's!!! Yayyyyyyyyy!!! Is skywest hiring? I have 100 hours? Can I get a jet out of training? How long is the upgrade?

Jeesh.

FARVA.... you're back on radio duty.... bouyyyyyyyyyy...

 

[SVA_402]

Those "new" planes should have UAL furloughs in the left seat.

UAL wont buy them, so why should the UAL guys get flowback into our seats if we dont get flowthrough into theirs?

 

[BoilerUP]

UAL wont buy them, so why should the UAL guys get flowback into our seats if we dont get flowthrough into theirs?

Probably for the same reason that Chautauqua pilots first allowed J4J pilots into their left seats a few years back - GROWTH.

 

[bluefin]

If it wasn't for management handing our jobs out like lollipops, you wouldn't have one!!! You have a job at the expense of my family. It's not your fault, but it is the honest F@#$%^& truth.

 

[Jmoney]

The majors need to stop paying for all of the gas at the regionals and start pumping that money into their own companies. They are just giving away their "profits" or lack there of under the current business plans which evidently dont work. yet they keep doing the same things over and over, what a great plan

What they really need to do is get rid of the worthless greedy mgmt teams that have done nothing but destroy good airlines.

Fly DC-9s back and forth to LBB all you want.... Maybe you could just upgrade to a 757-about the same burn.......

You could make tons of money by flying big-ass planes around to small cities all the time! You could make a pant-load-if you happen to own a freaking oil field!

-You, sir, should be given an airline of your very own and run it this way to prove us small-minded simpletons wrong.....

 

[Superpilot92]

Fly DC-9s back and forth to LBB all you want.... Maybe you could just upgrade to a 757-about the same burn.......

You could make tons of money by flying big-ass planes around to small cities all the time! You could make a pant-load-if you happen to own a freaking oil field!

-You, sir, should be given an airline of your very own and run it this way to prove us small-minded simpletons wrong.....

NWA doesnt fly DC9s to LBB, sorry. Although that would be a great overnight with the Texas Tech Chicks running around :beer:

 

[rickair7777]

Depends on what, if any, scope protections UAL has in place. Anyone know the answer?

Basically, here's what it looks like and it's not pretty. Any UAL guys who have a better understanding, please correct me.

Up to 50% of UAL flying can be regional.

They generally can't use regionals for flights which are economical with mainline (there is a specified test for "economical" but I'm SURE the price of oil will cause any route to the fail the test today.) Note that this does not apply to city-pairs, but specific flights...if they decide to go from one daily 737 to three daily flights, it's easy to show that the 73 is not economical on all three flights, so they can use RJ's (and park the 73).

They can add as many 50-seaters as they like. Larger RJ's must include J-for-J opportunities to furloughed UAL pilots...but no mention of seat, so I assume they probably start at the bottom.

 

[BUDDHA145]

lets dont forget that FKN mastermind in this crap is management not the pilot groups!!!

but we all know how we roll!!!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

unless somethign has changed over at RAH but the J4J pilots start at the bottom of the senioirty list but their pay is different than a 1st year pilot.

I "think" J4J start at 2nd year united pay.

 

[Beetle007]

Nothing over 70 seats permitted per scope.

Isn't there an exception for Air Wisconsin to fly 85 seat aircraft for United. Obviously Air Wisc lost the contract, but United could always give it back using next generation RJs.