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MCDU

MCDU

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Do the right thing and get rid of ALPA before it is to late. Alpa needs to go. ALPA is not the Union we had back in the 80's. ALPA United had the balls back then.

All ALPA will do is watch your career go and hope other airlines prosper on our demise. ALPA could not help Midwest, ATA nor Aloha. Its dog eat dog and that is why such a large pilot group does not need all does dues going to an association that represents pilot groups that want you to go away so they can prosper. First your pension, now your jobs and then maybe your seniority. Its the ALPA way of doing business.

ALPA has been to busy representing Mesa, Colgan, Valujet and Trans States. Alpa does not care for us and they will sacrifice the Junior pilot at United with 10 years now. 1000 pilots on furlough all while your jobs are being outsourced.

M
 
With the smashing success of USAPA both at the legal and professional level, why wouldn't the United Guys race to independence!?!
 
nimtz said:
With the smashing success of USAPA both at the legal and professional level, why wouldn't the United Guys race to independence!?!
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Independent unions can be successful, just not when the new union is founded as a way to escape legal obligations.
 
MCDU said:
Do the right thing and get rid of ALPA before it is to late. Alpa needs to go. ALPA is not the Union we had back in the 80's. ALPA United had the balls back then.

All ALPA will do is watch your career go and hope other airlines prosper on our demise. ALPA could not help Midwest, ATA nor Aloha. Its dog eat dog and that is why such a large pilot group does not need all does dues going to an association that represents pilot groups that want you to go away so they can prosper. First your pension, now your jobs and then maybe your seniority. Its the ALPA way of doing business.

ALPA has been to busy representing Mesa, Colgan, Valujet and Trans States. Alpa does not care for us and they will sacrifice the Junior pilot at United with 10 years now. 1000 pilots on furlough all while your jobs are being outsourced.

M
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What's the matter mcdoosh? Your man love at Airways giving you a hard time again?
Get back to the drive through window at Wendy's, I'm sure by the time your shift is over, your man will be a little nicer.
 
The level of intellect it takes to blame ALPA for all a pilot group's woes is not conducive to managing an independent union. Learn the real history of airline labor problems during the last 40 yrs or you will repeat history just like USAPA did and fail.

It's a paranoid ignorance to think ALPA is doing what you suggest such as aiding the outsourcing of jobs. ALPA could not help Midwest, ATA, and Aloha because of the limits of reality. What kind of union do you envision that waves it's magic wand and just makes impossible things happen?

You're proud of the ALPA of the 80's huh? Just goes to show your tunnel vision. What exactly are you proud of regarding United in that era.. Ferg and Ferris?
 
You folks better get your stuff together...FAST...whether it ibe ALPA or whoever. With Tague getting more responsibility, it can only get worse!!!
 
I think ALPA is useless no matter what the carrier. ALPA is a parasite that lives off your hard earned dollars - they try to justify their own existance. You don't need ALPA to vote as one and will be able to move quicker without them. If you need legal representation you can hire it by contract.

Dump 'em!
 
ALPA just pulled our MEC Forums down, due to a "server" virus........



Me thinks they don't want the troops talking about how CRAPPY a job they do!



ANY OTHER AIRLINE ALPA-MEC Forums down?????? I'll bet not!



SERVER VIRUS MY Arse!
 
Minimaniac said:
Independent unions can be successful, just not when the new union is founded as a way to escape legal obligations.
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It's up to the East and West Pilots. They will be the ones who determine whether they remain divided...or coalesce and move forward.
 
Volasl said:
Any ALPA problems at United are dwarfed by the main problem!!!!

TILTON and his followers
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Doesn't Tilton know that ALPA is a force to be reckoned with???
 
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AA. (Don't laugh, it's better than ours)

I'm afraid nows the time for an in-house union. Too many conflicts of interest. Let ALPA continue to increase the representation of regionals. MY job IS being outsourced....unfortunately.
 
This thread is funny. Any of you guys ever read flying the line? Vol II is the better read, and maybe you should give it a flip.

The fact you're now saying the elephants should give the union to the mice blows me away. ALPA has made mistakes, the biggest one being letting the jet scope slide, but at the end of the day it's YOU'RE union! Take it back. Stand up and be a man. If you don't like it then vote 'em out.
 
glasspilot said:
This thread is funny. Any of you guys ever read flying the line? Vol II is the better read, and maybe you should give it a flip.

The fact you're now saying the elephants should give the union to the mice blows me away. ALPA has made mistakes, the biggest one being letting the jet scope slide, but at the end of the day it's YOU'RE union! Take it back. Stand up and be a man. If you don't like it then vote 'em out.
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GMAFB....every time this comes up you get a pithy read Flying the Line response.

Vote'm out is what I'll fight for....when I get recalled. That is, when my job stops going away to Express, (ALPA) and age 65 guys retire (ALPA).

Man.
 
Do something already!

Our pilots aren’t going to do anything. Most haven’t a clue as to what’s going on. As long as they aren’t directly affected by what is going on, they don’t care. It’s all talk. I’ve been furloughed since January and every week I get this stupid email about X amount of furloughs “and we’re doing everything in our power to get our pilots back in their rightful place in the cockpit.” Well if that’s so, then why are all the routes I used to fly the guppy on, now flown by RJ’s? Moreover, many of them now are being flown by Express Jet, not Skywest (so our farm outs have been farmed out!!) Going one step further, I checked to see about going to Ireland for a vacation, and low and behold, we don’t fly there anymore, another farm out “code sharing.” WTF over, is ALPA just going to sit there and allow everything to be given away? As long as ALPA represents everyone, obviously just to build membership so they can enjoy their fatcat salaries, there is no hope for anyone to ever fly for a major airline.
You have the unions out for themselves and this new entitlement generation is right there with them. “Hey guys, Mesa’s gonna get 737’s and I can skateboard through the terminal with my backpack on my shoulder, no tie, jammin to my Ipod, fly a big shiny new jet, get my type, and go to SWA!!” Uh, no you can’t, because as long as you live in mommy and daddy’s basement, have a transcon commute, and fly for $20 an hour, there will never be a need for SWA to hire you.
Then you got the gummers, who like a bad case of herpies, not only will not, but plain out refuse to go away because God forbid they’d have to sell one of their 5 houses, boats, RV’s, wives, etc. Then while you’re being booted out the door they whine and say it’s because the union gave their retirement away. They add that this gives me an additional 5 years as well…yeah best case as an FO, worst case at on the street! So now everyone in the middle that either did their 10+ years in the military or 10+ years, instructing, flying checks, life flights, grand canyon tours, puddle jumpers, etc can’t get on with a legacy because they’re being prison raped from 1,000 hour boy wonders at the bottom and gummers at the top, and no one had the decency to give them some lube or even a ribbed for her pleasure condom!
So all you happy folks who are oblivious to what’s going on with your airline, the end is near. If you don’t step up soon, another legacy will go down in flames and then you can talk about not having a retirement. We're tired of the talk about getting rid of Tilton. We're tired of ALPA “talking about doing something here or there.” It’s like our government with North Korea. You guys aren’t being nice and if you do it again we will convene a meeting and write you a strong-worded letter telling you that we’re not happy with what you’re doing. Blah Blah Blah…grow a pair guys before United is gone…
 
kc135rflyr said:
Our pilots aren’t going to do anything. Most haven’t a clue as to what’s going on. As long as they aren’t directly affected by what is going on, they don’t care. It’s all talk. I’ve been furloughed since January and every week I get this stupid email about X amount of furloughs “and we’re doing everything in our power to get our pilots back in their rightful place in the cockpit.” Well if that’s so, then why are all the routes I used to fly the guppy on, now flown by RJ’s? Moreover, many of them now are being flown by Express Jet, not Skywest (so our farm outs have been farmed out!!) Going one step further, I checked to see about going to Ireland for a vacation, and low and behold, we don’t fly there anymore, another farm out “code sharing.” WTF over, is ALPA just going to sit there and allow everything to be given away? As long as ALPA represents everyone, obviously just to build membership so they can enjoy their fatcat salaries, there is no hope for anyone to ever fly for a major airline.
You have the unions out for themselves and this new entitlement generation is right there with them. “Hey guys, Mesa’s gonna get 737’s and I can skateboard through the terminal with my backpack on my shoulder, no tie, jammin to my Ipod, fly a big shiny new jet, get my type, and go to SWA!!” Uh, no you can’t, because as long as you live in mommy and daddy’s basement, have a transcon commute, and fly for $20 an hour, there will never be a need for SWA to hire you.
Then you got the gummers, who like a bad case of herpies, not only will not, but plain out refuse to go away because God forbid they’d have to sell one of their 5 houses, boats, RV’s, wives, etc. Then while you’re being booted out the door they whine and say it’s because the union gave their retirement away. They add that this gives me an additional 5 years as well…yeah best case as an FO, worst case at on the street! So now everyone in the middle that either did their 10+ years in the military or 10+ years, instructing, flying checks, life flights, grand canyon tours, puddle jumpers, etc can’t get on with a legacy because they’re being prison raped from 1,000 hour boy wonders at the bottom and gummers at the top, and no one had the decency to give them some lube or even a ribbed for her pleasure condom!
So all you happy folks who are oblivious to what’s going on with your airline, the end is near. If you don’t step up soon, another legacy will go down in flames and then you can talk about not having a retirement. We're tired of the talk about getting rid of Tilton. We're tired of ALPA “talking about doing something here or there.” It’s like our government with North Korea. You guys aren’t being nice and if you do it again we will convene a meeting and write you a strong-worded letter telling you that we’re not happy with what you’re doing. Blah Blah Blah…grow a pair guys before United is gone…
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Funny, SAD, and so TRUE!
 
Sonny Crockett said:
ALPA just pulled our MEC Forums down, due to a "server" virus........



Me thinks they don't want the troops talking about how CRAPPY a job they do!



ANY OTHER AIRLINE ALPA-MEC Forums down?????? I'll bet not!



SERVER VIRUS MY Arse!
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Whatever. Since my furlough in May, I haven't been able to post anything anyway. Don't want us rabblerousers causing trouble for the folks on the line. Oh, but the retirees and Leave of Absense guys, post away. Er, wait. There's a VIRUS. Sure there is. ::shrug::

SCR
 

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