United or American?

[SIG600]

Airgator,

What is it about the UA culture that you like vs. the US culture?

Thx.

LUAL/LCAL, for what you read on the interwebs doesn't really exist on the line. The internet animosity is orders of magnitude higher than what you see in real life. The pragmatists realize the integration of the seniority lists is done, and it's time to pull in the same direction. 99% of the guys I fly with, while they may have been "screwed" in some way in their mind, are over it and realize winning the overall game is more important. Minus the scabs, no one has the time of day for them. Everyone is happy for the most part, very few complaints on the contract. Guys are ready for 2017 though to start tweaking it to make it better.

From talking to guys at AA, you have AA/TWA still fighting with each other, now throw in USAir and AmWest and you have a generational food fight of epic proportions stewing. Plus their new contract sucks.

 

[jonjuan]

Guilty of selective editing you left out the other part of that quote

Now all that being said, I realize the top 4-5 airlines make the degree thing a shop stopper, so if you want to work at those place you must complete at least an on-line degree from Bubble-Bee State in Gender studies.

BTW: You mean Spirit, JB, SWA, NJ, Atlas are not reputable companies? No degree required to get hired at these places

Lol-how many people have been hired at SWA without a degree? 10? Lololol.....good luck with those odds.

 

[RJLoser]

LUAL/LCAL, for what you read on the interwebs doesn't really exist on the line. The internet animosity is orders of magnitude higher than what you see in real life. The pragmatists realize the integration of the seniority lists is done, and it's time to pull in the same direction. 99% of the guys I fly with, while they may have been "screwed" in some way in their mind, are over it and realize winning the overall game is more important. Minus the scabs, no one has the time of day for them. Everyone is happy for the most part, very few complaints on the contract. Guys are ready for 2017 though to start tweaking it to make it better.

From talking to guys at AA, you have AA/TWA still fighting with each other, now throw in USAir and AmWest and you have a generational food fight of epic proportions stewing. Plus their new contract sucks.

It's the same here. 99% of the guys are above the bs.

 

[pilotyip]

Lol-how many people have been hired at SWA without a degree? 10? Lololol.....good luck with those odds.

I only know of two, but that was out of the 6 pilots from our place who got hired there. So does that make 33% hired without a college degree at SWA. I notice you did not mention the other places I put up there, because they are not good places to get hired?

BTW: I know alot of people who interviewed with SWA who had college degrees who did not get hired.

 

[sniper]

I say try Delta

 

[ghostrider64]

Reality check... Best paycheck or earned by those with both degrees, and highly skilled experience. Sure there are some one offs here and there, but having a degree means tow things, you realized having one would better your life, and two, you've the ability to learn.

I think it's sad when people don't realize from the get go a degree is a show stopper. We aren't flying dirigibles any longer. If you want to be treated like and executive, paid like an executive then you should to attain the education of an executive.

 

[pilotyip]

Reality check... Best paycheck or earned by those with both degrees, and highly skilled experience. Sure there are some one offs here and there, but having a degree means tow things, you realized having one would better your life, and two, you've the ability to learn.

I think it's sad when people don't realize from the get go a degree is a show stopper. We aren't flying dirigibles any longer. If you want to be treated like and executive, paid like an executive then you should to attain the education of an executive.

In a sense I agree with your post, college degree is not much without experience. That is why 47% of the recent college grads are working at places like Enterprise, Starbucks and host of other high school diploma knowledge level jobs. Then to top that off they have an average of $30K of college loan debt. They cannot buy houses, there dragging down the entry level housing market. Yet people without degrees but experience in areas of market demand are finding good paying jobs. Think Welding, auto-mechanic, Nuclear Power Plant operators

Many College degrees are not preparing these indebted students with skills to get a good job.

An article in the WSJ from the 5th largest employment agency in the country.

"Another big hurdle is the widening skills deficit. At any given time, Mr. Funk says, Express has as many as 20,000 jobs the company can't fill because workers don't have the skills required. His advice to young people who are looking for a solid career is to get training in accounting (thanks to Dodd-Frank's huge expansion of paperwork), information technology, manufacturing-robotics programming, welding and engineering. He's mystified why Express has so much trouble filling thousands of information-technology jobs when so many young, working-age adults are computer literate.

He blames public schools and universities for the skills mismatch. Young people looking for a financially secure future might want to heed one of his favorite pieces of cautionary advice: "If you've got a college degree in psych, poly-sci or sociology, sorry, I can't help you find a job." He urges greater emphasis on vocational and practical skills training in schools, universities and junior colleges."

People are graduating from college with no marketable skills, yet 1,000's of good paying jobs go unfilled because no one has the skills. This fits right in with what I have saying for year, the purpose of advanced education is to give you skills that lead to a good paying job that is in demand. Well except when it comes to flying an airplane where the college degree has nothing to do with the skill set needed for the job, it is only a screening method used by uninformed HR departments.

here is link to the entire article

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324492604579087044033601178.html


BTW: My Mom had 15 grandchildren, all have college degrees, except two. Those two are the highest paid of her grandchildren Skills they learned in the militarty, a pilot and an ATC.

 

[DCAA320]

BTW: My Mom had 15 grandchildren, all have college degrees, except two. Those two are the highest paid of her grandchildren Skills they learned in the militarty, a pilot and an ATC.

It's not our fault there are 13 losers in your family.

Maybe they should have chose their majors more wisely.

 

[pilotyip]

It's not our fault there are 13 losers in your family.

Maybe they should have chose their majors more wisely.

Want to turn this into a college degree thread? be glad to if you want me to.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Goddamnit, I'm gonna feed the bear here.

Army WO's excluded, how many military pilots lack a "commission-able" degree?

 

[Andy]

Goddamnit, I'm gonna feed the bear here.

Army WO's excluded, how many military pilots lack a "commission-able" degree?

Zero and has been that way for a very long time. The Air Force and Navy stopped their warrant officer programs before I enlisted in 1980.

 

[pilotyip]

Goddamnit, I'm gonna feed the bear here.

Army WO's excluded, how many military pilots lack a "commission-able" degree?

And your point is ?

 

[DCAA320]

Zero and has been that way for a very long time. The Air Force and Navy stopped their warrant officer programs before I enlisted in 1980.

Actually, there was a NAVCAD program in the Navy in the 80's which had guys going back to get their degrees, I think. Not positive of the details.

 

[Andy]

Actually, there was a NAVCAD program in the Navy in the 80's which had guys going back to get their degrees, I think. Not positive of the details.

I stand corrected. I looked up Navy Warrant Officer and it looks like the Navy still has warrant officers. I don't remember ever seeing one so they must be fairly rare.

 

[BentOver]

One thing is for certain.....PilotYIP has a piss poor track record at choosing which companies to work for......

So in the end, if you are ever looking for career advice, please...for the love of God...do not under any circumstances, take his career advice.....

 

[DCAA320]

These guys were commissioned without having a degree. Almost positive they were Ensigns not WO's. Have never seen a WO in the Navy, Marines yes (I know they are part of the Dept of the Navy) but that doesn't mean they don't exist.




NavCad was temporarily reopened in March 1986 to meet the demands of the expanded Navy and was integrated back into the Aviation Officer Candidate School program. Candidates had to have either an associate's degree or 60 semester hours of college study. Like their predecessors decades before, these NavCads would complete flight training as candidates, receive their commissions once they received their wings as Naval Aviators, and would later attend college to complete their degree on their first shore duty assignment. The NavCad program was shut down again following the end of the Cold War. The last civilian applicants were accepted in 1992 and the NavCad program finally canceled on October 1, 1993.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Thanks guys, I learned a bit.
However, unless you want to fly choppers in the Army, or have access to a time machine - good luck receiving military flight training sans college degree.

 

[pilotyip]

One thing is for certain.....PilotYIP has a piss poor track record at choosing which companies to work for......

So in the end, if you are ever looking for career advice, please...for the love of God...do not under any circumstances, take his career advice.....

Yes you not want to follow my advice. unless of course you want to go from C-206 pilot to ATP Typed DC-9 pilot in 12 months while making close to $40K. Here is a list of where pilots work that have followed my advice, NJ, JB, Spirit, DAL, SWA, AAL, UAL, USAir, FedEx, UPS, Fortune 5 company. Many of these guys did not have college degrees when I recruited them to get on at JUS. Many got their free college degrees while working at JUS.Many did not have degrees when hired at NJ, Spirit, JB, and SWA

As far as my career goes, this career is all about luck and timing. When I got out of the Navy in 1977, the pilot market was flooded with the glut of Vietnam Era military pilots.

When I left the Navy in 1977, I was 33 and had about 2,500 hours, 700 of which came in 6 months flying around Vietnam. Most of my flight time is multi engine turbine PIC in a 100K + P-3, an ATP with an L-188 type. I averaged only 100 hours a year my last five years in the Navy.

The majors told me my age and hours were out of ratio, back then being over 30 and getting a major interview was difficult. So I went to the largest 121 supplemental in the country an ALPA carrier Transamerica DC-8's, DC-10's B-747's and L-188's. DO tells us during Basic Indoc that we will all be 747 CA's in five years due to their expansion plans, making $100K/yr which in 1978 was a fortune. Two years later they are selling airplanes and I am going backward in seniority was that beyond my control? Did it have anything to do with my skill or desire?

So I get a job as a Corp pilot with a Fortune 500 auto parts makers with a history of no lay offs, 3 years later they lay off half their pilots. The early 80's were a bad time for getting aviation jobs. So I start my own business, now hiring starts again I am 42, who gets hired, the 35 year-old guys in reserve P-3 unit, less flight time. By the time my age is again attractive, I have been promoted out of the Naval Reserve flying and the airlines tell me I am not current in big airplanes. So I go to a work for a commuter, it goes out of business. Now it is 1991, no jobs anywhere again, is that in my control?

So I go to another Corp job, in North Carolina, in 1996 they sell their airplane. In the fall of 1996, I get on with Zantop at Willow Run as an L-188 Captain; they have been in business forever, 6 months later they go out of business. I get hired by USA Jet as Director of Training I have had 11 jobs, 7 flying and 4 non-flying, moved 7 times since leaving the Navy in 1977. JUS has been very good for me and I get great satisfaction in helping these new pilots get the experience thy did in a solid training environment that allows them to move on to career jobs.

We are all hostages to fortune (thank you E Gann), and do not have the control over our lives we would like to think we do. The guys who make it to the FedEx, SWA level are very fortunate to be where they are, but there is an element of luck and timing that has nothing to do with their skill or desire. Hang in there with your attitude you are going to have a ball

 

[EngineThunder]

I have never seen anyone who has a need to post their work history / resume as much as pilotyip does. Why is that?

 

[DCAA320]

I have never seen anyone who has a need to post their work history / resume as much as pilotyip does. Why is that?

Small penis but hey, that's not my problem.