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[Turtle21]

What I think is funny is how UALALPA filed an injunction in federal court trying to halt the SOC without sharing their plans to do this with CALALPA. At the joint MEC meeting a short time later, a member of the CAL MEC point blank asked if the UAL folks will share their strategy going forward. The answer was "no". A very short time later, the infamous 108 page letter to congress was sent. Jay Pierce found out from the reporter who called him to ask for his response. Let's be clear about who exactly has been forging down the road with their own agenda with all due respect.

With that being said, let's not take the disagreements the two MEC's might have out to the line. I've been very impressed with the UAL pilots I've had the pleasure of meeting out in the system. I look forward to getting all this behind us.

Two ALPA "unions" fighting on the one hand and talking nice, nice on the other. Shock! For one more dollar, we will promise that peace is just around the corner!

 

[RT8VA]

You don't get it. UALALPA wanted the COALPA to include them in other issues like the sunset of the T&PA but Jay chose to go ahead and just take the money and leave us to fend for ourselves. If you don't think this has caused a rif come on into one of our ops and talk about it.

As far as being on Managemnt side again you are wrong. A devided pilot group is what they want. The CO side just walked blindly into it.

I love when a statement starts out you just dont get it, surely keeps my mind open. The TPA mostly protected the UAL pilots for shortcomings in their contract and I support what it is but to say that the grievance that was going to gain nothing would have some how carried you guys along was simply in my opinion not true. There is no way to win this discussion for either side because it is an opinion and one that we wont ever know another outcome so I will not be dragged in to a fight about that. I have friends at Delta and Airways and I know whos merger I would rather mirror so I really am not going to argue points here on a forum with nothing but opinions.

I get in to your crew room in IAD often and I have never been treated with any thing but respect and I have never seen a UAL pilot in EWR treated differently. Were in this together whether we like it or not and there are going to be a lot of issues that neither side agrees with from our own or the other sides union. Taking it out on each other in crew rooms wouldn't solve that. Good luck sorry this made you mad but this is one of many issues well go through and I do get it, which is why I wont talk about it further.

 

[eaglesview]

I love when a statement starts out you just dont get it, surely keeps my mind open. The TPA mostly protected the UAL pilots for shortcomings in their contract and I support what it is but to say that the grievance that was going to gain nothing would have some how carried you guys along was simply in my opinion not true. There is no way to win this discussion for either side because it is an opinion and one that we wont ever know another outcome so I will not be dragged in to a fight about that. I have friends at Delta and Airways and I know whos merger I would rather mirror so I really am not going to argue points here on a forum with nothing but opinions.

I get in to your crew room in IAD often and I have never been treated with any thing but respect and I have never seen a UAL pilot in EWR treated differently. Were in this together whether we like it or not and there are going to be a lot of issues that neither side agrees with from our own or the other sides union. Taking it out on each other in crew rooms wouldn't solve that. Good luck sorry this made you mad but this is one of many issues well go through and I do get it, which is why I wont talk about it further.

Ant managements desire to have emplyee groups not be united is not opinion. That is airline ops 101. CO pilots took a benefit with no regard to the guys that you say they are in this together with, again not an opinion.

 

[RT8VA]

Ant managements desire to have emplyee groups not be united is not opinion. That is airline ops 101. CO pilots took a benefit with no regard to the guys that you say they are in this together with, again not an opinion.

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[RT8VA]

I actually have to change my response so I deleted the last one. I have been at more then one airline and I understand the power of dividing groups that wasn't the opinion I was talking about. The opinion part was whether or not some thing could be gained by waiting to settle the issue or not on momey that was owed to the CO pilots Owed to us.

As far as the CO pilots go we didn't make the decision the MEC did just like your MEC makes decisions for you. The system is what it is saying were in this together doesn't ring hollow as I had nothing to do with the decision or the meetings and didn't get a vote on what direction to take. Just wait till the opinions about seniority integration start you wont even remember this. I would welcome talking to you in any crew room if our trips over lap I have no animosity towards any one at LUAL quite the opposite I have some good friends there active and furloughed so if you want to talk about how lousy both unions do or dont do I would welcome that. It's going to be a long year good luck to every one well see how it turns out.

 

[eaglesview]

I don't know if I agree with your statement after the SLI debate is on I won't even remember this. Take the time to go on the United pilots forum, which you can now access, and read about what happened.

Notice that not one CO pilot has come on here and shown even the least bit of worry about one side taking a benefit without the other. I am sorry but this is my experience with the CO pilot groub dating way back to the 80's during the Texas air era. Their lack of support to us on the EAL side smells just like today.

Yes good luck to us all.

 

[RT8VA]

I wasn't at CO at that time but I understand your frustration with that "special group" of pilots. I am sure you have been madder then mad at the UAL mec over the years and we have certainly felt the same about ours. We read about this decision just like you did. I will take a look over there when I get done with this trip, have a good night.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Not now!! Co pilots can pay for them with their profit sharing that so far is coming out of my wallet. Not that I'm bitter.

For Christ sake Eagle, get your facts straight before you look like an idiot. I suggest you and your group have a 'come to Jesus' moment and get all the facts. I might agree with you that we SHOULDN'T of gotten profit sharing only because more good would of come from not taking it, but not because we didn't deserve it. And your weak argument about something in the 80's that doesn't have anything to do with 90 percent of the pilot group usually comes up as the basis for a weak argument. You're rhetoric is just that....noise.

 

[eaglesview]

For Christ sake Eagle, get your facts straight before you look like an idiot. I suggest you and your group have a 'come to Jesus' moment and get all the facts. I might agree with you that we SHOULDN'T of gotten profit sharing only because more good would of come from not taking it, but not because we didn't deserve it. And your weak argument about something in the 80's that doesn't have anything to do with 90 percent of the pilot group usually comes up as the basis for a weak argument. You're rhetoric is just that....noise.

You are correct, I was wrong about where the money was coming from I will give you that. Jeff will spend an additional 40 million dollars to give to one half ot the pilot group. On a potentially 1.5 billion dollar contract that was money well spent to put up a devide between the pilot groups. An aitline managements dream come true.

Jeff obviously wants the employee groups to not be united. That is why he says things like "why should I pay you more. (pointing to the pilots in attendance) Then I would have to pay them (pointing to the rest of the folks in attendance) less. Thunderous applause follows. He knows what he is doing, and your renegade MC fell right in line. That all happened two weeks ago, not in the 80's. That happened with this CO pilot group today, not a small percentage.

 

[RT8VA]

So dont go to the CEO pep rallys. Here is the answer though "well Jeff when the push back tug engine quits you and your family get delayed when the airplanes engine quits at V1 we keep you and your family alive. There can also be plenty of questions about how Jeff's salary relates to other airline ceo's in a percentage basis and why he is paid so much more then they are. But and here comes the opinion again I just dont understand why pilots feel the need to go to a propaganda show and then get mad because their half baked questions get turned around on them. Just sayin that is not negotiating that is looking stupid.
The rampies don't get a vote and we aren't bargaining with them so who really gives a crap what they think?

 

[eaglesview]

What?? Thump our chests about how good we are and hope Jeff notices??? In case you haven't noticed we have been asked to picket several events. Been to one??

Sorry sitting quietly in the corner is not gonna to work.

 

[whatitdoing?]

You are correct, I was wrong about where the money was coming from I will give you that. Jeff will spend an additional 40 million dollars to give to one half ot the pilot group. On a potentially 1.5 billion dollar contract that was money well spent to put up a devide between the pilot groups. An aitline managements dream come true.

Jeff obviously wants the employee groups to not be united. That is why he says things like "why should I pay you more. (pointing to the pilots in attendance) Then I would have to pay them (pointing to the rest of the folks in attendance) less. Thunderous applause follows. He knows what he is doing, and your renegade MC fell right in line. That all happened two weeks ago, not in the 80's. That happened with this CO pilot group today, not a small percentage.

What did you expect? Of course there would be if Jeff bused in his support. He was waiting for that question and Jay walked right in. I'll give you that!! It was a trap and Jay just blindly walked in. Personally, I don't trust Jay at all. But to judge the whole pilot group at CAL? Come on Eagle, you're not even that dumb. If you allow 40 million to break us apart because you're pissed about us getting profit sharing....then forget about you. I say burn it down....do the UsAir route....and I'll be senior to you as a fluffer on Donkey D**** Part II. If that doesn't seem like the right course of action, then forget about this....move the hell on man. I'm tired of you United people high walking around like you own the joint. You'd be fluffing right now if it wasn't for Continental and what the CONTINENTAL piots did to make UAL stronger. Ya, 3q's and over a billion bucks and it was all freaking United. Whatever Eagle. I'm guessing you're a senior idiot already drooling out of your arse waiting for the impending 'fly west' direction while piloting your POS Airbus. Get over yourself man....and move the F on. YOU'RE the reason why everything is difficult. As you're MEC why THEY are continously making efforts to deceive us and not share information for SLI??? Ask them why they won't engage us as equals? Ask them what was the real reason behind 747 payrates? Ask them why go it alone with the training issue and not share their strategy? Ask them why they petitioned Congress without including the CAL pilots? Everything is difficult with you guys.....so look in the mirror man.

 

[Turtle21]

What did you expect? Of course there would be if Jeff bused in his support. He was waiting for that question and Jay walked right in. I'll give you that!! It was a trap and Jay just blindly walked in. Personally, I don't trust Jay at all. But to judge the whole pilot group at CAL? Come on Eagle, you're not even that dumb. If you allow 40 million to break us apart because you're pissed about us getting profit sharing....then forget about you. I say burn it down....do the UsAir route....and I'll be senior to you as a fluffer on Donkey D**** Part II. If that doesn't seem like the right course of action, then forget about this....move the hell on man. I'm tired of you United people high walking around like you own the joint. You'd be fluffing right now if it wasn't for Continental and what the CONTINENTAL piots did to make UAL stronger. Ya, 3q's and over a billion bucks and it was all freaking United. Whatever Eagle. I'm guessing you're a senior idiot already drooling out of your arse waiting for the impending 'fly west' direction while piloting your POS Airbus. Get over yourself man....and move the F on. YOU'RE the reason why everything is difficult. As you're MEC why THEY are continously making efforts to deceive us and not share information for SLI??? Ask them why they won't engage us as equals? Ask them what was the real reason behind 747 payrates? Ask them why go it alone with the training issue and not share their strategy? Ask them why they petitioned Congress without including the CAL pilots? Everything is difficult with you guys.....so look in the mirror man.

Having two MECs is overrated. You all should replace ALPA and elect a new union with just one board.

 

[Continental]

I've said F this place burn it down way before the merger was even announced.
Cal sucked then and United does now. My only hope is that in the future it will suck a little less.

Can't wait for the opening of DEN and ORD bases. With all the realigning the poo will really start to fly then.

Best bet..Grab a 12 pack, some popcorn, take a seat, and enjoy the show. It will be strictly NC17.

Oh yeah what was the question? The EFB's. Yeah we are geting those in August right?
(from EWR ACP though efb's start going out next week. Carry 6 months with your 40 lbs of crap for 6 months "per FAA" then can ditch manuals. Once "other" EFB's are hard wired in airplane carry jepps for 6 months "per FAA" then can ditch jepps.

First may happen before end of 2012. The second will happen before end of 2020 if ever at this outhouse/crackhouse of a company.

 

[whatitdoing?]

United is a complete mess and we'll be lucky to walk away with a career.