United/Continental Scope

[Jetjockey]

.....cause all those 70 seat jobs will go right to mainline!!! Sure!!! Whats actually more likely (certain) to happen is the removal of 1 seat to make them 69 seats. Oh wait, United already did that to create the 3 class service with 66 seats. Oh well.

66 seats, that violates existing CAL scope. While past performance and history may be good indicators, they are not the100% accurate for future predictions. Let us not forget that many of the scope relaxations were taken post 9-11, Force majeure, and chapter 1113(c) filings. (i.e gun to head). If you haven't keep your eye on the ball, the paradigm is shifting once again. Labor has more levergae than many assume. It will be used. Scope relaxation is a non-starter. The argument that older 50-60 year olds will sell out the younger is BS. We all have seen enough stagnation and proliferate outsourcing. We are reminded everyday when we see our former jobs parked at the gates in shiny new jets, with shiny new pilots with low pay doing what was once a well-paid MAJOR airline job. 1500+ furloughed pilots want their jobs back, NOW.

SCOPE IS NOT FOR SALE! CONCESSION STAND IS CLOSED.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The only possible way the small jet flying MAY come back to mainline is if they undercut the current regional rates and start them off at year one longevity....Now why would I want to start all over again flying the same airplane for much less money and a worse schedule? It's a suckers bet....

 

[Jetjockey]

The target isn't small jets. The target is over 50 seats. That's where the growth is. Economics will slowly weed out the glut of 50 seaters. They are already being replaced by efficient turboprops.

 

[johnpeace]

The target isn't small jets. The target is over 50 seats. That's where the growth is. Economics will slowly weed out the glut of 50 seaters. They are already being replaced by efficient turboprops.

It looks to me like they're being replaced with ~70 seat jets.

 

[nerjdriver]

Sorry, it's very difficult for me to support putting myself out of a job. But I have no control over this, so good luck to all.

Out of what job? Having relaxed scope at UAL/CAL will just extend the amount of time you work for nothing at a regional 5-10 years. It will eliminate the A320/737 and you will be a regional pilot until you are 45-50. That kind of narrow minded attitude is why we are where we are.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

The only possible way the small jet flying MAY come back to mainline is if they undercut the current regional rates and start them off at year one longevity....Now why would I want to start all over again flying the same airplane for much less money and a worse schedule? It's a suckers bet....

Really? I have a hard time believing both MECs and over 50% of the pilot groups will agree to that.

 

[79%N1]

The target isn't small jets. The target is over 50 seats. That's where the growth is. Economics will slowly weed out the glut of 50 seaters. They are already being replaced by efficient turboprops.

Really? And just where is that happening? Other than the Usairways DHC-8 fleet (which is much smaller than 5-8 yrs ago) and some 400's for CoEx at Colgan, I can't think of one major flying many (Skywest and Mesaba for Delta/United and shrinking/going away) and certainly none replacing Jets with Turboprops.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Nice try guys, I do wish you had taken this position 15 years ago. It ain't gonna happen, the contracts provide for payment even if the planes are parked. If you think mgmt is gonna just say OK, we will park those 70 seaters that you hate so much and continue to pay those contracts, al la messa out of the goodness of their hearts. You will have to pay dearly for those planes. If you think about it, mgmt has the ability to eliminate the pilots on every contract at the expiration of said contract. If you think they will give up this ability, simply because you want 51+ seat A/C back on the seniority list, good luck. The same pilots who sold those airframes are on your MEC and the average rank and file pilot ain't gonna pay the 5-20% it will take to get these A/C back on the property.
Horse is not just out the gate, it has been hit by a semi and is dogfood.
PBR

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Nice try guys, I do wish you had taken this position 15 years ago. It ain't gonna happen, the contracts provide for payment even if the planes are parked. If you think mgmt is gonna just say OK, we will park those 70 seaters that you hate so much and continue to pay those contracts, al la messa out of the goodness of their hearts./QUOTE]

Read the whole thing you idiot! It clearly says:
"Lets get a contract that eliminates all 70 seat flying at the expiration of each agreement"

Your whole argument is a waste you moron.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Nice try guys, I do wish you had taken this position 15 years ago. It ain't gonna happen, the contracts provide for payment even if the planes are parked. If you think mgmt is gonna just say OK, we will park those 70 seaters that you hate so much and continue to pay those contracts, al la messa out of the goodness of their hearts./QUOTE]

Read the whole thing you idiot! It clearly says:
"Lets get a contract that eliminates all 70 seat flying at the expiration of each agreement"

Your whole argument is a waste you moron.

Wow, I guess the meds aren't working, huh? The only people who stick their butts further into the air than regional pilots are the mainline pilots, they would shove each other under the bus faster than than they would regional pilots, reason? If they stab each other from the same seniority list the payoff is quicker. You were the same putz's who got a chubbie when you got to fly the regional "9" and now are gonna take it all up with you. Newsflash next time you are flying look over at the guy sitting next to you, he would sell your kids into slavery for an additional $3.00 per hr, and another day off per month. Pilots on the whole are some of the most pathetic snivelers I have ever met. You will pay to play, work for substandard wages to get to the next step, and when and if you get there will stab each other for any additional perks that treachery will allow. Now go back to your Dr Evil plans to rule the world. Come back in 5 years, your company will offer the potential for 787s if you just allow a few C Series at Peenuckle to fill the gaps until "YOUR" 787 hits the property, and you will slam your boner in the car door trying to get to HDQ to sign off on the "promise"
PBR