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aztruck

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United and Continental - Scope is NOT for Sale
There are a million things that are going to happen regarding this merger over the next two years, but the biggest impact is going to be from whether or not we take the stance right now that scope is not and will never be for sale by this joint pilot group.

We have the chance to get something back now that has been degrading this profession since 9/11. Let's do something about it. Please call your reps and tell them that a contract with scope relief is a no vote regardless of any other content.

Do not let management "manage" our expectations in the new contract. They are the ones under pressure from Wall Street to get this thing done the Delta way, and that includes a contract.

Lets get a contract that eliminates all 70 seat flying at the expiration of each agreement; one that contains solid work rules and will provide some career stability (at least to the extent possible). I understand that those guys who are just around for 5-10 more years may be more interested in dollars, but I ask all of you to consider the future of this profession before you vote with your wallet. Many have sacrificed in the past so that we might have a smoother, safer, and better future as pilots.

We stand at a fork in the road right now. We have negotiating power as labor is required to make this deal shine to Wall Street. Let's make the right decision and set this career back on the right path. If we as a pilot group of 11,000 cannot take back some of what has been given with the leverage that we hold right now, then we have most certainly failed.

Someone please post this on each individual airline forum, and anywhere else it might motivate some to take action. We need to take charge of this situation and join together to create an airline we can be proud to spend the rest of our careers at. We hold the cards, lets play them wisely as many other pilots, both current and future are depending on us.
 
Sorry, it's very difficult for me to support putting myself out of a job. But I have no control over this, so good luck to all.
 
Many have sacrificed in the past so that we might have a smoother, safer, and better future as pilots.

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No they haven't. That's the whole point of why there is misery in the pilot profession, every pilot group is out for themselves. Why would there be a change now? Most scope agreements in history, have been good for that pilot group but have screwed others. MESA/Freedom, RAH certificates, UA, AMR 50seat scope wich brought about RAH and TSA/Gojet etc. And the guy with 5-10 years left has absolutely no reason to make the 40 year guy happy, he's more senior, you are delusional if you think otherwise, it's been like that in aviation since the beginning.
 
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No they haven't. That's the whole point of why there is misery in the pilot profession, every pilot group is out for themselves. Why would there be a change now? Most scope agreements in history, have been good for that pilot group but have screwed others. MESA/Freedom, RAH certificates, UA, AMR 50seat scope etc. And the 5-10 year guy has absolutely no reason to make the 40 year guy happy, he's more senior, you are delusional if you think otherwise, it's been like that in aviation since the beginning.

johnpeace said:
If history is any guide...

I agree, you two have nailed it on the head.
 
Time will tell..................place your bets.
 
.....cause all those 70 seat jobs will go right to mainline!!! Sure!!! Whats actually more likely (certain) to happen is the removal of 1 seat to make them 69 seats. Oh wait, United already did that to create the 3 class service with 66 seats. Oh well.
 

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