United and Continental - Scope is NOT for Sale

[Dumbluck]

CrucianPilot, you are correct. I don't know how things have changed, nor have I ever actually known what they were like before. I haven't worked for either company; but I have worked at a ALPA shop and a Teamster shop. I really hope that you are correct and your rep's have honor and integrity. I also hope that both unions stand united in defense of CAL's scope. I also hope that UAL mgt is willing negotiate. As was stated earlier in this thread, this could be the last stand for the profession of aviation. I hope the union is successful, I really do. But I think the odds are slim and the furloughs need to ask themselves if it really worth it.

BTW... What are you willing to give up to keep it and expand the scope to United?

 

[AWACoff]

CrucianPilot, you are correct. I don't know how things have changed, nor have I ever actually known what they were like before. I haven't worked for either company; but I have worked at a ALPA shop and a Teamster shop. I really hope that you are correct and your rep's have honor and integrity. I also hope that both unions stand united in defense of CAL's scope. I also hope that UAL mgt is willing negotiate. As was stated earlier in this thread, this could be the last stand for the profession of aviation. I hope the union is successful, I really do. But I think the odds are slim and the furloughs need to ask themselves if it really worth it.

BTW... What are you willing to give up to keep it and expand the scope to United?

We are willing to give up our "On Time" bonus checks every month. Throttle 'em back ladies, time for a good 'ole fashioned slooooooowdownnnn. (Once we are legally allowed of course )

 

[Homer Jay]

CrucianPilot, you are correct. I don't know how things have changed, nor have I ever actually known what they were like before. I haven't worked for either company; but I have worked at a ALPA shop and a Teamster shop. I really hope that you are correct and your rep's have honor and integrity. I also hope that both unions stand united in defense of CAL's scope. I also hope that UAL mgt is willing negotiate. As was stated earlier in this thread, this could be the last stand for the profession of aviation. I hope the union is successful, I really do. But I think the odds are slim and the furloughs need to ask themselves if it really worth it.

BTW... What are you willing to give up to keep it and expand the scope to United?

We're not giving up a DAMN thing!

 

[nimtz]

I hope the union is successful, I really do. But I think the odds are slim and the furloughs need to ask themselves if it really worth it.

Hate to be a stickler, but WTF are you getting at? The furolughees don't have J O B S if CAL-UAL caves on scope...

 

[Dumbluck]

Nimitz, I don't mind you being a stickler. Your point is correct, what jobs will there be? Answer: Go-Jets. There are furloughed UAL pilots flying for Go-Jets. Thats what furloughees have to look forward to if the union(s) fail. At least they get 2nd year pay. Good Luck, I hoped I struck a little fear into the pilot group to fight harder and throw out their rep's if the act like they may fold and conceed to mgt. I don't want to be melodramatic, but this merger might be the only thing keeping all of us from being "bus drivers" and earning the same wage.

 

[OPECJet]

Big turboprops, 50 seat RJs, 70 seaters, 90 seaters..... Brand scope guys. Brand scope. Bring that idea back and implement it.

 

[Raoul Duke]

anything less than 76 seats can go to regionals

 

[Jetjockey]

anything less than 76 seats can go to regionals

Not quite. Anything with 50 seats or less. CAL Scope STAYS!

 

[CheapFlyer]

Can someone order 10,000 "SCOPE IS NOT FOR SALE" bag stickers?

Every UAL/CAL pilot needs to have these on their flight kits ASAP.

-CF

 

[han_solo]

Not quite. Anything with 50 seats or less. CAL Scope STAYS!

Any outsourcing should not be allowed!!! A company like XJT should not even have existed.

 

[skywdriver]

CheapFlyer,

the "scope is not for sale" sticker is a great idea. if we continue to give on scope, then there won't be any jobs left at mainline to demand more pay for, making the FUPM sticker completely irrelevant. we need a new sticker!

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

anything less than 76 seats can go to regionals

So what are you saying? Management can remove one seat out of a 76 seater and outsource!!! Also, we need to be careful going forward with weight restrictions on mainline jets. The new age of carbon fiber and composite is here, bigger jets will get lighter!

Yogi

 

[erikgigem]

If your going to take back scope, then get rid of all flying over 19 seats.. Most of those ExpressJet routes can easily be flown by mainline pilots.

 

[cybourg10]

This is America, everything is for sale. I back you guys 100% in your efforts but history says the baby boomers will once again sell out the profession for some quick cash. Stand strong guys! A pay raise means nothing if you aren't employed to enjoy it.

 

[ERfly]

Any outsourcing should not be allowed!!! A company like XJT should not even have existed.

We tried to be one with you. Didn't happen. You can thank Tripson and his minions for that one. He should be working on his 7th or 8th heart attack by now.

 

[fokker pilot]

You guys at U.A.L. could have stopped this by doing the right thing in 1991 when U.A.L bought Air Wisconsin, and that was "triggering" ALPA merger policy.......But no... lets just "screw our ALPA brothers at ARW and take their slots at ORD and be on our merry way!

 

[GuppyWN]

Southwest has a "NO RJ" clause in our contract so it's a possibility. Not sure what you guys are going to have to "give up" to get it but go for it!

Gup

 

[eaglesview]

You guys at U.A.L. could have stopped this by doing the right thing in 1991 when U.A.L bought Air Wisconsin, and that was "triggering" ALPA merger policy.......But no... lets just "screw our ALPA brothers at ARW and take their slots at ORD and be on our merry way!

You're correct. I remember clearly Steve Wolf calling me at home and asking me " so should we screw the pilots at Wisconsin." I of course said "yeah sure Steve (we were on a first name basis) go for it!!