Unions, Good thing or bad?

[climbhappy]

mungu.... you're thread started i work for colgan and we don't have a union, then you said,.....and colgan only pays me enough to live paycheck to paycheck..... i think you brought colgan into from the getgo

listen, i'm not knocking you, but i encourage to find a better paying job if things are that bad.... i did take a jab at you , sure... this is an anonymous message board....no harm no foul, right!


back to your topic, a union will never work at colgan.. the power is concentrated in a family, who doesn't have to disclose financials and doesn't answer to shareholders... i thought mike,jr was forthcoming in his letter and said things improved. here's your raise i witheld.....

i keep hearing brink talk about the bad attitudes with schedulers..nevermind what you accuse them of doing.....they sign your paycheck and quite frankly, they own you when you show up for work...

ALPA did not work at ccair for younger junior pilots.....the power was held on to by a close knit group of senior guys.... we got screwed by not having key items put up for a vote.....
cc air pilot group was then 219.

cc air was also a public company..... in conclusion, a union will never work at colgan for the above mentioned reasons.

got to go to work,, must find another beer can for my single wide!

 

[chperplt]

Happy

mungu.... you're thread started i work for colgan and we don't have a union, then you said,.....and colgan only pays me enough to live paycheck to paycheck..... i think you brought colgan into from the getgo \

That quote came from a question about Mungs interview with BMA. The context of that quote was directly related to why he didn't leave Colgan.. Had nothing to do with this thread.

the power is concentrated in a family, who doesn't have to disclose financials and doesn't answer to shareholders... i thought mike,jr was forthcoming in his letter and said things improved. here's your raise i witheld...\

Why does the above equal union failure? Does a company need to be a public company to be unionized?

By the way.. Mike Colgan, SR (not JR) is the President of the company and wrote that memo.

i keep hearing brink talk about the bad attitudes with schedulers..nevermind what you accuse them of doing.....they sign your paycheck and quite frankly, they own you when you show up for work...

You'll do anything they ask of you when you show up to work? Because they own you, right?? They don't own me.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Unions good or bad?

Yes.

 

[climbhappy]

chperplt,

charles J colgan, sr. is the chairman of the board correct, then mike jr. president ,ceo and mike jr. of system control.

is that right? i erred when i listed mike. i thought they were all mikeys.

i think because in a privately held company, the control is total and the lawyers are the mouthpiece in delicate matters.

the nature of a closekl held company is one of total disretion without interference from shareholders or other parties with hidden agendas. there simply aren't the constraints or conflict that comes from multiple parties being involved in key issues.

they can act on a wim and censure or control any situation that in their eyes could jeopardize the company or its; well being.

i have seen it before and the dynamic at work is one where management has all the cards. In this case with respect to a union, it simply in their eyes is counter to the very nature of their control and their use of power.

that is why , in my view, they acted to restore wages and appear to be ambassaors of good will. however you may view their motives is simply a matter of opinion.

 

[chperplt]

then mike jr. president

Mike Sr is president.

they can act on a wim and censure or control any situation that in their eyes could jeopardize the company or its; well being.

And that right there is the problem. With a labor contract they couldn't do that.

 

[airbus331]

"UNIONS SUCK"

 

[WhiteCloud]

You'll do anything they ask of you when you show up to work? Because they own you, right?? They don't own me.

They keep trying to own pilots with training contracts and now training fees. It's just a place to get some 121 turbine experience and move on. Colgan likes it that way so it's hard to feel sorry for them when pilots quit after a short time when a better opportunity comes along.

 

[N2264J]

Re: Unions, Good or Bad?

Unions good or bad?

Yes.

Very astute.

ALPA, for example, is a very good union under extremely bad management.

Or maybe I should say poor leadership.

No wait...If it weren't for bad leadership, they'd have no leadership at all.

Time for another beer.