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Pilots should actually be charged for part of CASS. After all they are the ones screaming for it. If they can make the choice to commute surely they can open the wallet to help pay for the cost. If they don't wanna open the wallet then its simple. DONT COMMUTE!!! Commuting is all about opening the wallet. Hotel, crashpads, etc. etc. Commuting is expensive. CASS is an expense that should be passed on to commuters
 
D'Angelo said:
Pilots should actually be charged for part of CASS. After all they are the ones screaming for it. If they can make the choice to commute surely they can open the wallet to help pay for the cost. If they don't wanna open the wallet then its simple. DONT COMMUTE!!! Commuting is all about opening the wallet. Hotel, crashpads, etc. etc. Commuting is expensive. CASS is an expense that should be passed on to commuters

Oh, bite me, D'Angelo. This airline has closed crew bases in Boston, Elmira, White Plains, Portland, Providence, Dulles, Hartford, Syracuse, Rochester, Worcester, Newark, and probably more cities that I can't recall. The company forces commuting on its pilots because of domicile closures and reductions. Are you seriously expecting our pilots to move every time these people decide to try another city for a few months?
 
I'm so sick of hearing, "get your time and get out," that it's a "stepping stone," and so on. So what? Why should we be content with getting screwed at every turn, just because we think we'll get out in just a couple of years? I see a lot of the guys I fly with who have been here many years, trying to get out.

The majors aren't hiring like they used to, and you're going to be here a number of years unless you want to just hop to yet another regional. (We had a few bail to Colgan Air a few months ago, that's how bad it has gotten.) If everybody has the attitude that it's not worth the effort to fight for improvements in our pay and work rules, then of course things won't improve!

They're not going to shut down just because we unionize. Paying us adequately is not going to bankrupt the company. The most profitable airline in the country is also the one that pays its people very well, remember? They reap the rewards of treating their people like an asset instead of an expense. I hear this place used to be like that; I wonder what changed?

And those of you who bitch about how useless ALPA is, you have work rules and benefits that we can only dream of, and you have them because of your union contract. Remember that. Your situation would be a lot worse without your contract.

No, we're not at the top-end of 1900 operators anymore. We haven't been at the top of the heap in years. Yes, we used to be the top-end operator of these airplanes -- you could make over $60,000 flying a 1900 for us in the early 90's. Those days will never return, and we all know it.

Yes, the 82.5-hour guarantee is higher than other airlines, but nearly everything else is worse. And don't forget that we have no assurance of keeping that monthly guarantee! It could drop down to the typical 75 hours, or even be eliminated. So could our daily minimum of 3 hours. So could the 2-hour reserve callout, or any of our other arbitrary work rules.

We have no power to stop these things without a binding contract! Just like we had no power to stop the elimination of our paid health insurance, or the on-time bonus I keep hearing about, or the profit sharing I've heard about, etc., etc. Don't say they wouldn't do that -- they did it. Who's to say they won't do it again?

I knew the pay when I got here, but I never realized just how bad it could be, living in expensive New England on a salary that's only adequate for Plattsburgh. It's great for the 20 people based up there, but the other 80% of the company is struggling to make ends meet. The annual "raise" doesn't come close to offsetting the rising cost of living, and demanding even more money for the mediocre medical insurance was just too much. And now that they're finally thinking about CASS, they want to charge us for it? Good lord, where does it end?

I wish I had been here for the last union vote -- I'd be working under a contract by now. I wouldn't be paying $1350 a year for a medical plan that used to be part of our package. Indeed, even subtracting out 1.95% for ALPA dues (about $350/year), that still leaves me $1000 ahead, even without the pay improvements that I'm sure we'd have been able to negotate.


I hear rumors of a new campaign starting up; I sure hope it's true. Maybe it'll light a fire under our management and owners to wake up and look at what the rest of the industry is paying its pilots. This is a very big reason why you're having trouble finding qualified applicants.

If the Saab/Dash/Whatever pay is as bad as our Beech pay, I think we're going to see another mass exodus, and training whatever replacements we can find must be very expensive. Wouldn't it be cheaper to pay people enough to stay?

I don't want to job hunt again, but I seriously can't afford to live on what CommutAir pays.
 
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chimichanga said:
I'm so sick of hearing, "get your time and get out," that it's a "stepping stone," and so on. So what? Why should we be content with getting screwed at every turn, just because we think we'll get out in just a couple of years? I see a lot of the guys I fly with who have been here many years, trying to get out..

But it is a stepping stone, most pilots have had stepping stone jobs, CFI, 135 charter, small commuters (Commutair) etc... stop trying to make it what it isn't, a career. Go out get your time, have a few beers, bitch about the company and move on.

Commutair is one baby step from being a CFI. or charter pilot.

I was at commutair a long, long time ago. before the hangar was built (the first one) and it was then what it is now. No one was thinking of commutair as a career, we were riding the gravy train until it ran out.

They talked about unions back then, unions are great, but no one sticks around commutair long enough to make it work, who would your LEC or MEC be (this month)? who would be your commitee members (this week)? would it be YOU? or are you too busy with your career building?

would you trust your union to the Kool-aid drinkers lifers that are still there?
 
Whomever you are that decided to use the name "Chimichanga" as your Flightinfo handle, I salute you. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when i saw that. I am guessing that you are not, in real life, the actual "Chimichanga". I wonder what Chimi-Chimi-Changa will think when he sees this. That is all.
 
This airline has closed crew bases in Boston, Elmira, White Plains, Portland, Providence, Dulles, Hartford, Syracuse, Rochester, Worcester, Newark...

Add Albany to the list, this coming February. I swear I'm going to buy a trailer and park it out front of wherever HQ is this month.....
 
Talk about thread resurrection. Question for you. Do you guys end up back at base everyday like the Colgan guys?
 
Whomever you are that decided to use the name "Chimichanga" as your Flightinfo handle, I salute you. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when i saw that. I am guessing that you are not, in real life, the actual "Chimichanga". I wonder what Chimi-Chimi-Changa will think when he sees this. That is all.

Absolutely classic.

From a former Commutair person...I feel for you guys and I wish you all the best. Commutair has the BEST pilot group that I've worked with so far. Sorry to say but I don't think ALPA or any union will make your lives MUCH better. It may solidify your work rules and it may get you a contract which states when you'll get pay raises but in the end you'll still be taking it in the end like the rest of us at this level in the industry. My advice....go to work, get your time, make your contacts, and move on without making a name for yourself.

For the record the guy who thinks the commuters SHOULD contribute to CASS should be beaten with the thick side of a wooden paddle in front of Starbucks in CLE. Definately qualifies for "the most egregious" thing I've read all day. Commuting sucks and the people who do it don't do it by choice. I'm on my 6th crew base in 4 years.
 
Nah, most of the trips at CommutAir end up overnighting at least one night, usually several nights. I think there are a few single-day trips, but they're rare to find.
 
So where are the bases now?

I was at 4 of the closed bases chimichanga mentioned (5 if you count ALB) but was only displaced (make that furloughed) from one.
 
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CLE and PLB. And BOS, at least for now. With the news of Big Sky getting the Delta 1900 flying, I don't foresee BOS lasting for a whole lot longer.
 
So far, so good. Haven't flown an hour yet, so it's been a pretty good gig. :D

Hopefully I'll get to see a real airplane sometime in January! Not sure how backed up things in the pipeline, though, so I better get a hobby soon. (Well, other than annoying people on this message board... heh.)


Sad to hear Albany closed, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. When a city only flies to one other city, it doesn't make much sense as a crew base. Maddening, still....
 

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