Ual hiring discussion

[KSwift]

01/09/07 was the first class to have new hires go straight to the 777. It was my class. Junior guy got it.

 

[airksk]

Yes, there were 2 slots in my class as well. Also went junior.

 

[Plug]

Been at LCAL for over 6 years now and can't hold 777 FO in either EWR or IAH by about 75 numbers or so. I was less than 50 numbers away from 787 IAH FO on the last bid. With the 767 flying out of IAH going away to the LUAL side I suspect the senior LCAL 756 guys are gonna bail to the 787 or 777. If I can't hold it at 6+ years seniority then I very much doubt a new hire will get it.

 

[densoo]

A crew that included three probationary IROs on the 16-hour flight at night over the pole, while fully qualified, made the company realize that if there were an incident that rose to the level of public scrutiny that the news copy would read "two brand new recently certified barely qualified copilots at the controls while the captain and only experienced pilot was asleep in the back...."

This situation actually caused the company to look at QOL issues. Briefly. They started to dig into why more senior pilots were avoiding the premier aircraft of the fleet. They got a glimpse at how a bad contract made people bid away from being junior on a piece of equipment--and that CAL's contract was indeed very bad for QOL. As I said, it was a brief look. The furlough of the 147 solved their problem and they went back to business as usual.

 

[ATRCA]

That's because they were hiring into the 757/767, not the 777. There were a few 757/767 newhire slots available. No newhires got the 777.

You can file Rattler's post in the same file as the statement from some CAL line pilots that there are some LUAL 777s that aren't ETOPS certified. LOL!

Wrong

 

[Andy]

Sorry, my bad. I misremembered once again - not the first time, not the last.

 

[Flyer1015]

Then there's the CA who showed up to find all three of the IROs were new FOs still on probation! He slept like a baby.

Yup, then the three IROs found out that CA was a '84 scab forgiven by ALPA!

 

[densoo]

Yup, then the three IROs found out that CA was a '84 scab forgiven by ALPA!

Hoot!

 

[Hutchman]

That's because they were hiring into the 757/767, not the 777. There were a few 757/767 newhire slots available. No newhires got the 777.

Actually, you are wrong. Cal had new hire slots go to the 777 back in 06. They have routinely had 756 slots open in EWR, because it stinks to be jr out there. 8 people in my class got 756 EWR (thats not a few, thats 40% of the class). 777 slots were awarded to newhires.

 

[IAHERJ]

Actually, you are wrong. Cal had new hire slots go to the 777 back in 06. They have routinely had 756 slots open in EWR, because it stinks to be jr out there. 8 people in my class got 756 EWR (thats not a few, thats 40% of the class). 777 slots were awarded to newhires.

He already admitted he was wrong. What is funny is when I was hired. Most of us started out on the 737. Myself along with a few others went to the 756 about 8 months later when we could hold a line on it. One guy went to the 777 a year after that then upgraded to 737 captain shortly after that. He got all the types in 3 years. About a year after I was hired, the opposite occurred. New hires that went to the 777 got knocked back to the 756 then farther down to the 737. Either way, they too received the same types in 3 years. Great industry we work in!

 

[ForgedBlade]

New hires that went to the 777 got knocked back to the 756 then farther down to the 737. Either way, they too received the same types in 3 years. Great industry we work in!

For those of us that got "knocked back", being "farther down" on the 737 leads to a helluva' lot better life than those crappy 756 schedules (in Newark, that is). I'll take 16-18 days off on the 737 with daytime, productive schedules any day of the week. All those awful, non-productive, backside-of-the-clock, 12-day-off schedules can stay with the guys that are willing to accept that $hitty lifestyle. I don't miss the 756 or the 777.

 

[IAHERJ]

For those of us that got "knocked back", being "farther down" on the 737 leads to a helluva' lot better life than those crappy 756 schedules (in Newark, that is). I'll take 16-18 days off on the 737 with daytime, productive schedules any day of the week. All those awful, non-productive, backside-of-the-clock, 12-day-off schedules can stay with the guys that are willing to accept that $hitty lifestyle. I don't miss the 756 or the 777.

I am glad you are happy. Not quite the point of my post but you bring up a good point.

 

[xjhawk]

12 days off on the 777? Well, I am sure that is still better than 11 days off on the CRJ and upwards to 6 legs a day huh?

 

[ForgedBlade]

12 days off on the 777? Well, I am sure that is still better than 11 days off on the CRJ and upwards to 6 legs a day huh?

Actually, the 777 schedules typically give about 20 off per month.
Many of us on the 737 can hold 16-18 off during most months.
The 756 guys are down to 12-14 regularly in Newark.

OK, back to the original topic...

 

[RT8VA]

I used to get 16 to 17 days off on the 737 before they shifted all of the positions to Houston and I went to 14 and 13 with no commutable lines. I haven't checked in a while but if you were bumped off the 756 and are now doing 16 off I am shocked. I never flew the 777 but unless your on Reserve your not getting any where near 12 off a month.

 

[RT8VA]

Lines looked pretty varied for July but hard to say what people bid for, there are some 16 and 15 days off scattered in there but a lot of 12 day off ones too. Depends what your bidding for so impossible to say if the fo's got what they wanted, but seems like most of the 16 day off guys had a guy with 12 just senior to them. Gotta love PBS.