UAL fires at SWA in DEN

[SWA/FO]

I think some airline wait until the day of travel to assign emergency exit row seats.... That could be a good way to get your seat of choice.

 

[Dan Roman]

Unless you fly for Qantas, your post is as idiotic as you. Enlighten us on where you work, and it's excellent safety record................Thought so.

It doesn't matter who you work for, we all are vulnarable or have our faults no matter who we work for and shouldn't be throwing stones or be "cocky" (something about glass houses?)
My point is not to attack SWA, I think it's a great airline and I have to laugh at people who predict their demise. You have enough cash and management competancy to survive pretty much anything. Even if the "reborn" legacies start getting back market share SWA has the cash to add anything they deem neccasary to compete. It's the High School "us against them attitude" I don't think is benificial to anyone and makes anyone who employs it look a little foolish. It's all cyclical no matter what airline you work for.
BTW I work for Hawaiian, our safety record IS on par with Qantas. Started in 1929 and zero accidents. KNOCK WOOD!!!

 

[Dan Roman]

two? I can only think of one..... help me out here? I also have a problem with "only airline"... this I doubt very much. :smash:

With all due respect you work for SWA and haven't heard of the BUR accident? I'm not picking on you but it seems to me the lesson learned from that one should really be hammered home by your training dept. It was a classic case of flying around in "hurry mode" resulting in a very long and very fast landing. We all make mistakes, it's the learning from them that counts.

 

[737tanker]

With all due respect you work for SWA and haven't heard of the BUR accident? I'm not picking on you but it seems to me the lesson learned from that one should really be hammered home by your training dept. It was a classic case of flying around in "hurry mode" resulting in a very long and very fast landing. We all make mistakes, it's the learning from them that counts.

No BUR was a classic case of violating every procedure in the book and not doing anything the way that SWA had trained them. BUR was NOT a classic case of doing things the SWA way.

 

[Ralgha]

If SWA never has and never will have a significant computer system problem, more power to you.

Never will? You don't know much about computers do you?

 

[SWA/FO]

With all due respect you work for SWA and haven't heard of the BUR accident? I'm not picking on you but it seems to me the lesson learned from that one should really be hammered home by your training dept. It was a classic case of flying around in "hurry mode" resulting in a very long and very fast landing. We all make mistakes, it's the learning from them that counts.

I will repeat: Two? I can only think of one.....BUR is the one I can think of. I know the FACTS associated with BUR.

 

[SWA/FO]

No BUR was a classic case of violating every procedure in the book and not doing anything the way that SWA had trained them. BUR was NOT a classic case of doing things the SWA way.

What the Captain said....yeah!

 

[densoo]

No BUR was a classic case of violating every procedure in the book and not doing anything the way that SWA had trained them. BUR was NOT a classic case of doing things the SWA way.

What one is "trained" to do and what a culture encourages are sometimes two different things. Not saying this is what happened at BUR.

 

[SWA/FO]

Not saying this is what happened at BUR.

WRONG densoo. What are you saying then?

 

[pilot141]

File this is under the standard flightinfo, 'we hate everything any legacy does, unless they happen to be hiring' category? Doesn't this fit in with all of the bashing of Boyd and other analysts unless they're bashing United/TED, DAL/Song. Never mind if any of it makes sense or not, because we don't want to hear it and besides we're really smart pilots who can't see beyond the tip of our noses if it doesn't involve operating the jet. I guess it's more fun to be 'outraged' and 'surprised' years later about something that was previously predicted.

And SWA slowly enters the world of every other carrier that enjoyed a hiring boom. Hiring is good, the outlook is bright, and some people that work for said carrier become cocky and alienate everyone else (including people who might want to work for that carrier).

In the "olden days" it was UAL, DAL, AAL and NWA guys who were "cocky" and pi$$ed everyone off.

People on this board still hold grudges against many legacy guys for actual or perceived slights/insults.

In recent times it has been the cargo guys who have been not only hiring a lot but who also have their share of chest-pounders doing their part to torque everyone off.

Now it's SWA's turn in the barrel. A few guys feel so secure in their job that they feel it's A-OK to bash legacy guys and anyone else who even dares to question the absolute dominance of their carrier.

They are free to do that, because everyone who has stood on top of the mountain before them has done the same thing.

But I give this warning: the one pounding his chest the hardest today is the one who falls the farthest tomorrow.

Do not take pleasure in others' misery, and do not gloat about your success.

The airline business is cyclic.....in some cases the cycles take decades, but they are there. No one stays on top forever....enjoy your time at the top of the hill, but don't throw rocks down on those below you. They may just come back to hit you in the noggin when you least expect it.



For clarity: Marko Raimus I used your quote for context, and I'm not saying you're one of those chest-thumpers on the mountain. Also, anyone reading this entire post gets credit for Philosophy 101 at Arizona State.

 

[Capt. X]

No Accident????

BTW I work for Hawaiian, our safety record IS on par with Qantas. Started in 1929 and zero accidents. KNOCK WOOD!!!

This one must have slipped your mind.

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]Hawaiian Air - [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]January 2, 2001[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]Tahiti DC-10 Accident.[/FONT]

A Hawaiian Airlines Air DC-10 (formally
owned by AA) overshot the runway at Tahiti’s Faaa
International Airport in driving rain and stopped
just short of possible disaster with its front wheels
in a lagoon. Officials said there was only one
injury suffered on board the flight from Honolulu.
One passenger hurt his knee. The other 135
passengers and crew on board the flight were,
according to witnesses of he crash, lucky to
escape with no serious injuries. The authorities
temporarily cancelled flights into the airport by
widebodied aircraft.
http://www.bea-fr.org/docspa/2000/n-aa001224a/htm/n-aa001224a.html

http://www.asc.gov.tw/author_files/E5.pdf

 

[SWA/FO]

And SWA slowly enters the world of every other carrier that enjoyed a hiring boom.

"slowly" would not be the word I would use. (is that being to cocky guys?..did I hurt your feelings?)

Do not take pleasure in others' misery, and do not gloat about your success.

You guys have got to be the most sensitive types out there (no I didn't call you gay). People can post negative stuff about ones carrier (SWA in this case) and nobody expect a response? Then when there is a response, we are labeled as being cocky? I dare anybody to look back at any or all my posts (if you want to) and find where I typed something that made fun of somebodys situation at another carrier? Then if you do find one, make sure you read a couple of posts before that response. Some folks here need to work on their reading comprehension skills.

 

[ePilot22]

King of the Hill

You guys have got to be the most sensitive types out there (no I didn't call you gay). People can post negative stuff about ones carrier (SWA in this case) and nobody expect a response? Then when there is a response, we are labeled as being cocky? I dare anybody to look back at any or all my posts (if you want to) and find where I typed something that made fun of somebodys situation at another carrier? Then if you do find one, make sure you read a couple of posts before that response. Some folks here need to work on their reading comprehension skills.

My reading comprehension skills are just fine and I don't think pilot141's post was directed at YOU, although you seemed to take it personally. No offense, but you seem a little sensitive about being label cocky.

Also, anyone reading this entire post gets credit for Philosophy 101 at Arizona State.

Hook it up!!! :beer:


eP.

 

[SWA/FO]

Hook it up dude! If the post was not about me then who was it for? Its all about me, baby!!! Me, me, f*****g me imp:
:beer:

 

[ePilot22]

Nice!

Hook it up dude! If the post was not about me then who was it for? Its all about me, baby!!! Me, me, f*****g me imp:
:beer:

LMAO!!! :laugh: ! Mad props to ya!


eP.

 

[Flopgut]

"slowly" would not be the word I would use. (is that being to cocky guys?..did I hurt your feelings?)



You guys have got to be the most sensitive types out there (no I didn't call you gay). People can post negative stuff about ones carrier (SWA in this case) and nobody expect a response? Then when there is a response, we are labeled as being cocky? I dare anybody to look back at any or all my posts (if you want to) and find where I typed something that made fun of somebodys situation at another carrier? Then if you do find one, make sure you read a couple of posts before that response. Some folks here need to work on their reading comprehension skills.

How about your latest post on the "NWA starts another carrier" thread? With regard to the NWA pilot's pension and the company's poor financial shape you ask "Has it been funded, how long will that last"? You don't have to have superior reading comprehension skills to know that is a perfect example of you behaving EXACTLY like you just claimed being above.

 

[sbn340mech]

so how soon till SWA runs one off the end of a runway in Denver??

 

[Flopgut]

so how soon till SWA runs one off the end of a runway in Denver??

Hey, cool it. That is off limits.

I was just getting comfortable enough to start debating these SWA folks again. If we start talking about that sort of thing I'm outta here.

 

[densoo]

,,,,,,

 

[SWA/FO]

flopgut...sure reads like an honest question to me? Its not like I typed "I hope your pension goes away soon" I just asked if its been funded and how long do they think it will be around? Just some grown-up questions.

 

[scarlet]

Lets see ,stand in line forever to get a card for your seat on SW or sit in a lounge and play on the computer??? uuummmhh

UN fares are already cheap--remember they are not paying many bills these days

I can watch TV/Music on UN or Frontier--SW--uuummmhhh NO

I can collect miles on UN and go to Hawaii and Paris and Spain--SW--uummh NO That should be the commericals they need to use--hey the old way of doing business is gone, stating where you fly and how many times --people know that already--tell them the differences b/w you and the competitor. Personally I think SW has been lucky..

 

[SWA/FO]

Personally, I don't think you know what your talking about. You don't have to wait in line for a boarding card anymore, baby! You can check in 24 hour in advance via your home PC. We have one of the best frequent flyer programs out there, with almost no blackout dates. You can watch TV/Movie and listen to music on SWA, you just have to bring your own equipment. You can go to Southwest.com and buy a ticket to Hawaii. Not to Spain or Paris, but who wants to go there anyway? :nuts:

You make your own luck. Didn't the corporate guys teach you anything? :erm:

 

[Mach 80]

scarlet,

People like you have been making similar observations about SWA's amenities versus the other airlines for 25 years. It's nothing new, yet somehow SWA still chugs along doing fine and it wasn't by luck. They have management that knows what they're doing.

 

[SWA/FO]

so how soon till SWA runs one off the end of a runway in Denver??

How long til you find another job?

 

[sbn340mech]

two words, spell check

 

[sbn340mech]

How long til you find aonther job?

when I get tired of my current one.

 

[SWA/FO]

what you a scab? thought your co-workers were on strike?

 

[Mach 80]

sbn340mech,

"so how soon till SWA runs one off the end of a runway in Denver??"

Just way too witty and oh sooo original. Such wit!! Winston Churchill could take lessons if he was still around.

You must have the deep intellectual wit and humor of a junior high kid.

You also must think no other airline, even the one you might work at, ever had an accident. I got news for ya, in fact they have, killing and maiming far more people than SWA has. I could list them if I wanted to but I won't, but take my word for it.

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey sbn340mech, Your avtar, is that one you parked? I thought, you were taxi qualified?



:0 :bawling:

 

[737tanker]

What one is "trained" to do and what a culture encourages are sometimes two different things. Not saying this is what happened at BUR.

When I got at SWA I was privileged to fly with Capts who were at SWA when there were only 3 airplanes. From them and others I learned that training and the culture encouraged the same thing - SAFETY. Did we do 15 turns, yes, did we press the field yes. Were we encouraged to violate limitations and FARs - NO. Does SWA have a few guys who are cowboys, yes - just like every other airline. I'll say again from my experience at SWA the training and the culture encourages the same thing - safety.